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nator
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Message 61 of 239 (21341)
11-02-2002 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by RedVento
11-01-2002 9:27 AM


quote:
As far as I know they are also the only other species that get pleasure from the act.
This is a very broad statement. How do you know?
quote:
I don't know for sure, but I have never come accross any research that demonstrates any animal having sex for purely pleasurable motives. Even the bonobo monkies are have sex to reduce group aggression not because it just feels good.
Um, maybe it reduces agression precisely because it feels good???

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nos482
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Message 62 of 239 (21346)
11-02-2002 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by nator
11-02-2002 8:42 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by schrafinator:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by nos482:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by schrafinator:
We weren't talking about me.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Maybe you should have had a look at the end of that post with heretic sects. It had a at the end.[/B][/QUOTE]
Oh, I noticed the smiley-face.
I am just not willing to be disarmed or distracted by it at the moment.
[/B][/QUOTE]
You are taking it way too seriously.

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nos482
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Message 63 of 239 (21347)
11-02-2002 9:35 AM
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11-01-2002 9:27 AM


I don't know for sure, but I have never come accross any research that demonstrates any animal having sex for purely pleasurable motives. Even the bonobo monkies are have sex to reduce group aggression not because it just feels good.
Bonobos aren't monkeys. They are primates like us.

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John
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Message 64 of 239 (21348)
11-02-2002 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by mark24
11-01-2002 11:22 AM


quote:
Originally posted by mark24:
This is more disturbing than I first thought, I'm being usurped!
Oh well, there goes the "animal magnetism" theory......
Mark

Well..... if you side with me you aren't being usurped, you're just sexy.
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John
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Message 65 of 239 (21349)
11-02-2002 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by nator
11-02-2002 8:46 AM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
Um, maybe it reduces agression precisely because it feels good???

Pretty much how it works with me...
I think Red has fallen under the spell of thinking that non-human animals are somehow fundamentally different than human animals.
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John
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Message 66 of 239 (21350)
11-02-2002 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by nos482
11-02-2002 9:35 AM


quote:
Originally posted by nos482:
Bonobos aren't monkeys. They are primates like us.
LOL....!!!
The term 'primate' includes great apes, lesser apes, old-world monkeys, new-world monkeys, lorises, and lemurs. There were also little mouse-like primates contempory with the dinosaurs, and many extinct critters between then and now.
The distinction you want is "Bonobos aren't monkeys, they are apes-- great apes no less."
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nos482
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Message 67 of 239 (21351)
11-02-2002 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by John
11-02-2002 10:52 AM


quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by nos482:
Bonobos aren't monkeys. They are primates like us.
LOL....!!!
The term 'primate' includes great apes, lesser apes, old-world monkeys, new-world monkeys, lorises, and lemurs. There were also little mouse-like primates contempory with the dinosaurs, and many extinct critters between then and now.
The distinction you want is "Bonobos aren't monkeys, they are apes-- great apes no less."

That is what I had said, like us. And out of all of the chimps they are the closestly related to us as well. Monkeys have long tails.
Don't think that you have to make it your duty to be contrary to me.
[This message has been edited by nos482, 11-02-2002]

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John
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Message 68 of 239 (21367)
11-02-2002 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by nos482
11-02-2002 11:39 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by nos482:
[B]
quote:
Originally posted by John:
That is what I had said, like us.
No it isn't. What you said is that bonobos aren't monkeys, they are primates. This is equivalent to saying that that cars aren't trucks, they are vehicles. Bonobos are primates, but so are monkeys. You could just as easily switch the terms and have it make as much sense. "Monkey's aren't bonobos, they are primates."
quote:
And out of all of the chimps they are the closestly related to us as well.
Absolutely.
quote:
Monkeys have long tails.
Right. Except for the ones with short tails, like Japanese Macaques.
quote:
Don't think that you have to make it your duty to be contrary to me.
It must suck to feel persecuted all the time.
It must also suck to have such a minimal reguard for accuracy as you apparently do.
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nos482
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Message 69 of 239 (21371)
11-02-2002 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by John
11-02-2002 3:19 PM


Bonk, bonk, bonk.....

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John
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Message 70 of 239 (21386)
11-02-2002 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by nos482
11-02-2002 3:58 PM


quote:
Originally posted by nos482:
Bonk, bonk, bonk.....
That's mature.
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nos482
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Message 71 of 239 (21402)
11-02-2002 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by John
11-02-2002 4:25 PM


quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by nos482:
Bonk, bonk, bonk.....
That's mature.

As mature as you are.

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Message 72 of 239 (21418)
11-02-2002 6:22 PM


Just an Adminnemooseus topic monitor flag.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2170 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 73 of 239 (21467)
11-03-2002 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by RedVento
11-01-2002 9:41 AM


[QUOTE]The only problem with that is we don't know exactly when the perfect time is.. Therefore we "do it" as often as possible to increase the chances of getting "it done" properly.. Plus.. practice makes perfect [QUOTE] My response to this is the question, "Why have humans lost the ability to know when the female is fertile?"
Most other mammals have a "heat" in which it is the only time females are receptive to male sexual advances. Males are often not interested in females unless they smell and act "fertile" or in heat.
I think that the reason we have lost this is because the social bonding that goes on was so important to overall survival that the benefits gained outweighed the risks to survival that frequent sexual contact would pose.
quote:
Covered most of this above, but one other point. I am not sure its "social" bonding as much as it is woman bonding. Men do not typically become emotionally bonded to a women they mate with, women on the other hand do.
Are you sure?
Are you sure it's as simple as this?
True, many male higher primates mate with multiple females, and it is in the male's individual evolutionary intrest to pass on his genes as often as possible.
It is also the female's interest to keep the male around any way she can to help protect the offspring.
On the other hand, since human babies are so helpless for so long, the protection of the male would be needed to enable those offspring/genes to survive.
The males that were more likely to stay attached to the female/s would therefore be around to help protect and nurture his own offspring.
I am thinking that this male "investment" in his own offspring is the root of the preoccupation many cultures have with the paternity of children, and the commonplace rejection of children raised by men who later find out that they are not the "real" father.
quote:
Now before I really stick my foot in my mouth and go home to an empty house and a note from my wife with comments about bonding and taking my stuff and shoving it, I'm stop.

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nator
Member (Idle past 2170 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 74 of 239 (21468)
11-03-2002 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by nos482
11-02-2002 9:31 AM


quote:
You are taking it way too seriously.
Look, all I am gently telling you is that you are a loose cannon rather frequently, and you frequently debate just as poorly as the Creationists you deplore.
I and others have offered advice about how you could be taken more seriously, but you either make excuses, blame others, or ignore the comments.
You can choose to take honest critique and learn and grow, or you can continue to do damage to the cause.
It's your choice.

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nator
Member (Idle past 2170 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 75 of 239 (21469)
11-03-2002 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by nos482
11-02-2002 5:25 PM


quote:
Originally posted by nos482:
quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by nos482:
Bonk, bonk, bonk.....
That's mature.

As mature as you are.

Hey John,
Ignore the childish behavior.
Hey Nos,
Grow the &*#% up. You are the only one who thinks your "bonk" comments are funny.
Allison

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