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John
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Message 77 of 81 (11242)
06-10-2002 7:35 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Philip
06-09-2002 6:38 PM


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Originally posted by Philip:
John, did you miss the whole point of inclusion of my data-observations? They merely pointed out the nature of the ID, not proving the ID itself. They were in response to Shraf’s objections that there were, essentially no empirical-observations to support the NATURE of an ID.
No, actually I didn't miss your point. Its just that whether or not this points to intelligent design or not is entirely subjective. Even calling this the "nature" of design doesn't help. You just end up with a description of observation and no theory at all-- photo no depth. Adding to that the idea of design is subjective, and kinda circular too. Question begging, that sort of thing.
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ID is proved/suggested in other threads (i.e., by ‘cause-effect’ logic, ICs, delicate interdependent bio-/cosmic- complexities, kantian logic, parsimony-logic, etc.)

There is stuff we can see and stuff we kant see. The stuff we kant see is the real deal but sadly, we kant ever ever ever see it or know anything about it. Don't get me started on Kant.
And I'm not buying the parsimony logic bit. It is not the simpler solution to postulate an entity just outside the limits of our understanding. At best, you just buy a little time.
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TEST RESULTS: Comparisons of (A) ‘SIN-CURSED’ observations and (B) ‘REDEMPTION’ observations:

You are already begging the question. You could as easily start off with 'drunken-god'/'sober-god' observations. Or Shiva/Vishnu. Or .... get it?
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Many doubtless, may suggest it supports the ‘theistic’ ‘evolutional’ model of the creation as well. Many will reject the hypothesis outright.
I don't think this evidence necessarily supports anything. It's much too subjective. The problem with all your evidence is that you have to want to see ID to see it. It may be necessary to justify your beliefs but it isn't necessary for anything else.
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deerbreh
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Message 78 of 81 (219062)
06-23-2005 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by gene90
06-07-2002 10:49 AM


Gospel in the OT. Really?
"In the Bible: No other mechanism could possibly hold the Bible together as the inerrant Word of God: the ‘Christ and Him Crucified’, the Gospel Word (which you call another ‘story’) is boldly ‘portrayed’ in every book of the Bible. No one, even honest atheist, denies that."
Hmm. I think there would be a few Jewish scholars who would dispute you on that as well as many evangelical Christians. As for "honest atheists", I would think it is a lot easier to find an intellectually honest atheist than an intellectually honest YEC apologist.
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AdminBrian
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Message 79 of 81 (219095)
06-23-2005 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by deerbreh
06-23-2005 3:38 PM


Re: Gospel in the OT. Really?
Don't be surprised if you do not get a answer here, as the post you are replying to is 3 years old.
I am not sure if you noticed the date of the post or not so I thought I'd let you know.
AdminBrian.

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d_yankee
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Message 80 of 81 (219570)
06-25-2005 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Theo
03-08-2002 4:44 AM


Commending you...
Theo, I give you props for your intelligence and how you are taking these guys to school. Kudos to ya.

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Chiroptera
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Message 81 of 81 (219586)
06-25-2005 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by d_yankee
06-25-2005 3:18 PM


Re: Commending you...
That's a pretty old post that you are responding to, yankee. I don't think Theo is around any more to read you commendation.

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