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RedVento Inactive Member |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by John:
[B] quote: I really don't understand the argument. Maybe, try again? I confused.
[/quote] What I mean is that by shear numbers alone the chances are better for insects to continue. One female = millions of offspring = good chances. One female = one offspring = chances not so good.
quote: yea that is what I meant. I type too fast for my own good sometimes.
quote: No this is true, but it prolly makes him a better authority than either of us.. this article looks do be done by someone more qualified..http://www.petfinder.org/journalindex.cgi?path=/public/an...
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Back to the example i used, one female (queen bee) and no hive == 0% chance of survival. The queen depends upon the hive for food and protection, and for assistance raising the kids. One human female without a social structure is in essentially the same boat.
quote:quote: The older I get, the more humans seem like the rest of the pack. Humans are not very good at self reflection, despite the hype.
quote: Looks like it supports my case. Sexual activity to relieve tension, due to over-- ummmm--- petting, as well as dominance. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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RedVento Inactive Member |
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Back to the example i used, one female (queen bee) and no hive == 0% chance of survival. The queen depends upon the hive for food and protection, and for assistance raising the kids.
One human female without a social structure is in essentially the same boat.
quote: Look at the Why Me, Why Now section.. It gives the reason for mounting/humping for most the majority of the times.. "There are several reasons why dogs engage in mounting behavior beyond the need for procreation. Usually, an un-neutered male dog will mount another male dog as a display of social dominancein other words, as a way of letting the other dog know who’s boss. While not as frequent, a female dog may mount for the same reason" Tension release is another reason given, but that is not a homosexual trait. Perhaps the issues it that we have different definetions of homosexual. I use homosexual as two same sex people having sexual relations to fullfill both sexual and emotional desires. Not just as getting off with someone of the same sex for any particular reason.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Probably the human female. Humans are more versatile and a lot smarter. And after mating the male bee dies.
quote: Would you apply that definition to humans? If a man 'get's off' with another man, but not for both sexual and emotional reasons, is that not homosexual behavior? ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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Peter Member (Idle past 1478 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: According to conventional dog-training thinking you are beingviewed as an equal ... most likely because you interact with them in a manner consistent with sibling playing, and do not assert dominance over them. Whether that's true or not I have no idea, but several characteristicsof modern dog training seem to work for me. Do you fuss the dogs whenever they come to you?
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RedVento Inactive Member |
quote: Except that the one male bee will allow the queen bee to lay thousands of eggs...
quote: Well maybe if you can explain why a man would "get-off" for some reason other than to relieve sexual desire/tension...
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John Inactive Member |
quote: You asked whether I thought one male and one female human would have a better chance of survival than one and one female bee. This is a different question than asking which has the better chance IF they survive to reproduce.
quote: Well maybe if you can explain why a man would "get-off" for some reason other than to relieve sexual desire/tension... [/B][/QUOTE] Dominance. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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RedVento Inactive Member |
quote: That would most likely be akin to rape, and not necessarily homosexual, but definetly deviant behavior. Most men I know who wish to show dominance over another man won't force them into a sexual act, they might beat them up, or verbally degrade them, or humiliate them in some other way. So while it may not be homosexual in nature it is most probably highly unlikely, where as with dogs its quite common. Dogs humping != homosexual, men humping men == homosexual except in your very, very, very rare exception. Red
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Rape pretty much is about dominance.
quote: Are you taking the position that homosexual rape isn't homosexual?
quote: On a broader scale it does happen though. Homosexual rape of defeated enemies is, or was, common in some cultures. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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RedVento Inactive Member |
quote: I am sure it did, and possibly still does. However based on my definiton of what homosexuality is rape isnt included. Ofcourse this is all based on my opinion of what homosexual is really about. In case you are wondering how I came to this conclusion it is really quite simple. For homosexual sex to truly be homosexual both parties must be willing participants. They are together to satisfy their sexual desires/lusts/love, the fact that they are the same sex makes it homosexual. In the case of rape one party is definetly not willing, and the needs of only one party are being met. Plus those needs are not sexual, so the rape cannot be considered a homosexual act. Red
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allen Guest |
Religions and other anti-gay groups picture gays as wanton sinners lusting to seduce small boys. The truth is heterosexual males are, in general, far more abusive towards young victims than homosexual males are. To learn more about homophobia, read Blumenfeld (1992). About 2300 years ago, Plato wrote a defense of homosexuality, titled Symposium. On certain topics we are slow learners
----------------------------------------------------------- Take the citys of sodom and gahmorah, God distroyed thoes citiesbecause of that very sin.And for you to say heterosexual males are in general far more abusive to wards young victims than homosexual males are, is quite a slap in anyones face just reading your wording of thought that you so unshamefully post for others to read. I do not believe ,(after speaking to several homosexual males recently because of ;your post), that being homosexual is either a learned or born act of sexual preversion knowingly acted out because of self desireable pleasure one feels doing the act, but in that the act is self pleasure in knowingly doing what one is not born or created to do. Therefore, homosexuals are acting out and choosing to perform preverse sexual doings outside the God given purpose of re creating life itself thru the normal choosing God has commanded man and woman to do ..go and multiply thy seed and be fruitful.. not : go and lay with your same sex partner and have anal sex and victimise little boys (or girls) to fulfill your preverse sexual desires.. I have even heard the excuse for being gay is: "I was born with the gene that causes my maleness to become female as i grew up by knowing my way was intended to be gay".. SHOULD have been said like this: I was born, then i became sexually active,and I followed my perverse sexual desires, and spit in the face of God by doing the complete opposite of what man was commanded to do in the garden of eden. I personally must admit that to this day i cannot understand or find a true reason for a man to become a sexual partner with another man/ or a woman doing so in this same matter. Some reasons i have heard were, "I'm gay because: my father was crippled and he made me perform oral sex on him, because my mother left after his accident.. and i loved my father and did this for him , and now i am gay.. or, i have a gene that programed me to be gay, and that gene kicked in after my 12th birthday.END. The things that I can conclude that a homosexual gains after sex are, less than expected/ aids/hurt/acute lust mode/anal discomfort/loose stools/loss days from work/ multiple sex partners/and death from medical incurables. I for one do not stand for such an act of homosexualality./ Tho i have never beaten up a homosexual, I never will slap one in the face.. because Jesus forgives all sin, no matter what the sin is..and for your information, this topic hits home rather close with me , as i have a sister who is twice married to another woman, tho i am not proud, i love her the most out of 5 sisters in my family..God does tell us: The wages of sin is death..lets not slap God in the face again..just get out of the sin you are in.. that is what i tell all homosexuals that i converse with..Remember: YOU CHOOSE WHAT YOU DO, SO YOU CHOOSE YOUR OWN PUNISHMENT.. because all sin has a wage to it... Plese think what you will...post what you will in responce to my posted reply..i welcome all who post harshly or lovingly...I mean no harm to anyone that is homosexual.. just remember this..it is in my own family..and has been for years...tho i did not choose to become homosexual...i see it everyday. Sin can be forgiven, if you ask for forgiveness. It is too easy to get out of homosexuality..just ask Jesus to forgive you, and He will,,and He does it with the largest amout of love.. and I wont hate you for being homosexual..Because there is a forgiving God at hand..we just need to go to him and simply ask for forgivness..I let God take control, not man. For in the end, it is Jesus who will judge. Take no offence to my post, it is just how i feel.
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Karl Inactive Member |
Simple fact - the vast majority of child abusers are heterosexual. Gay men are attracted to other adult men, not children.
You really believe that just asking God will make the homosexual heterosexual? Not so; there are a lot of ex-ex-gays out there who will tell you it didn't work.
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John Inactive Member |
Allen darling,
I thought you'd left me.
quote: Myth.
quote: How exactly is the truth a slap in the face? The studies have been done my friend. And the frequency of child rape goes way up in fundamentalist families as well.
quote: OK.
quote: Sorry, that's what fundies do. You must be confused.
quote: LOL!!!!!!!!!! Rolling on the floor!!!!!!!!!!!!! But seriously.... you are full of crap. I don't know how else to respond to this garbage. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com [This message has been edited by John, 11-14-2002]
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Karl Inactive Member |
Oh - and chapter and verse proving that it was homosexuality that got Sodom destroyed would be appreciated.
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allen Guest |
Allen darling,
I thought you'd left me. ------------------------------------------------Hi again John! Long time no speak. lol Man you make me laugh...and from your response, I assume you are gay? I dont want to burst your bubble John Darling lol...but please stop trying to be the butter on my bread...i find you tasteless in your snide remarks you so often post in responce to my post....yes i did declair that i would accept all nice and not so nice post..so i accept your post also John... but...knowing you from the past, i find you rather hostile to my being.. tho you cause me to respond to you because, and only because you know how to get my goat..(please dont make a homosexual post about the goat ok John). . . it's a figure of speach... but i do remember how i had to enevitably explain myself to alphelion to you..but i'd rather just comment anymore...so have fun John...i have gotten a litte more tollerant in my old age. lol. especially to you! (Darling). AS FOR THE PROOF ON THE cause of distruction for Sodom/Ghamorah City...the bible just states that The citys sins reached the throne of God, and it names some of the sins that caused it to be burnt up. Some of the sins were named: ie: men lovers of men.. beastiality, whoremongerers..murder and on and on... i know that they were not nice people when Lot said to God. will you spare the city if there were even one righteous person in the City,, and God said there were not as many even as one..Im sure you can read your bible that shows the particulars to satisfy your mindset on the subject.. im not one who can quote scripture precisely.. tho i believe many of you out there can come to my aid, and help my feeble mind with the details so many of you readers neither read for yourselves...just to provoke additional pricking to others your inquisitive questions to downtrodden my lack of precision in a particular subject...nuff said. P>S John Darling... Jesus still loves you, and wants you to give your heart to Him.. how long will you continue to walk on the path to destruction. allen ..and yes John.. just like Jesus loves you...i do too..so..come to Jesus now..for your soul may be required of you as you sleep. Read Romans 10: verses 9-10 , that is how you come to Jesus. Please dont get offended to my post..its just what i feel.
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