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allen
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Message 122 of 239 (22901)
11-15-2002 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by John
11-15-2002 12:16 PM


John...why do i get the feeling you are a devil worshiper..i get my clue from you placing an X before anity..as in CHRISTianity...are you so afraid of the true power of jesus you cant even spell his name..
you have got a long way to go john..
Please excuse me from these forums, as Jesus has been rejected , and i kick off the dust of your home from my shoes, and leave.
alle

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nator
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Message 123 of 239 (22904)
11-15-2002 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by allen
11-15-2002 11:08 PM


quote:
Originally posted by allen:
John...why do i get the feeling you are a devil worshiper..i get my clue from you placing an X before anity..as in CHRISTianity...are you so afraid of the true power of jesus you cant even spell his name..
you have got a long way to go john..
Please excuse me from these forums, as Jesus has been rejected , and i kick off the dust of your home from my shoes, and leave.
alle

Wow, just because this wacko hasn't figured out that the use of X in Xtian is the same as it's use in Xmas, John is accused of worshipping Satan!
That is just too rich!
We have another certifiable Krazy Kristian(TM) on the board!

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John
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Message 124 of 239 (22908)
11-16-2002 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by allen
11-15-2002 11:08 PM


quote:
Originally posted by allen:
John...why do i get the feeling you are a devil worshiper..
Allen, haven't you figured out that devil worship implies the belief in God?
quote:
i get my clue from you placing an X before anity..as in CHRISTianity...are you so afraid of the true power of jesus you cant even spell his name..
Yes, voodoo magic fills me with terror.
quote:
you have got a long way to go john..
More like, you've come a long way baby.
quote:
Please excuse me from these forums, as Jesus has been rejected, and i kick off the dust of your home from my shoes, and leave. allen
So much for that Holy War....
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David unfamous
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Message 125 of 239 (22917)
11-16-2002 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by allen
11-15-2002 11:08 PM


If Jesus were alive today, he'd be forgiving all of us for infuencing fanatics like Allen.
*reaches to the sky* Jesus! Hey, Jesus. Save me from these crazy Christians. You know they're mad. Just because you got nailed to a cross, don't take it out on us. Can't you send them down to the bottom of the ocean with all their damn sins? Go on, we'll pretend to like you. Amen.

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gene90
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Message 126 of 239 (22922)
11-16-2002 10:56 AM
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11-16-2002 8:46 AM


Anybody hear that rolling sound? It is the sound of the quality of this site rapidly going downhill.

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Mammuthus
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Message 127 of 239 (22995)
11-17-2002 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Andya Primanda
11-15-2002 10:45 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Andya Primanda:
And Wordswordman, too. Allahu Akbar, it's great to be a non-Christian!
He is channeling Wordy
Thank god I'm an atheist

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Karl
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Message 128 of 239 (23060)
11-18-2002 3:26 AM


Right, Allen. I've found in the Bible where it says exactly what Sodom did wrong:
Ezekiel 16:49-50a
Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me.
The only way you're going to get homosexuality into that is to read your own prejudice and bigotry into it. You have a choice - believe what is actually in the Bible, or make up what suits your personal distate and sense of moral outrage.
Interesting, that - God's concerned about how we treat other people, not what we get up to between consenting adults. You wouldn't think it, given many of His followers, would you?

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gene90
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Message 129 of 239 (23158)
11-18-2002 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Karl
11-18-2002 3:26 AM


Actually I think I read something in the NT today that seems to condemn homosexuality -- if whether or not the Bible is opposed to the practice is currently an issue here, I can look it up.

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Karl
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Message 130 of 239 (24602)
11-27-2002 11:21 AM
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11-18-2002 3:26 AM


Oooh - he ran away.....

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gene90
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Message 131 of 239 (25841)
12-07-2002 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by allen
11-15-2002 11:08 PM


quote:
John...why do i get the feeling you are a devil worshiper..i get my clue from you placing an X before anity..as in CHRISTianity...are you so afraid of the true power of jesus you cant even spell his name..
Actually, since I'm still kicking around here, atheists didn't invent the X instead of "christ" in a word. It probably is descended from the X-like Greek letter chi, which was used as an abbreviation of Christ.
Now atheists just use it because they think they think it's still clever (after over a thousand years later) and because misinformed Christians find it offensive.

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gene90
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Message 132 of 239 (25842)
12-07-2002 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by nator
10-24-2002 11:00 PM


quote:
How else is "so-called" generally used to mean something else, Gene?
Hey Schrafinator,
are you still clinging to the position that "so-called" is only used in a derogatory sense, and never to introduce new vocabulary? Because I recently heard that "derogatory" term used in a documentary on plate tectonics for exactly that purpose -- introducing new vocabularly. Just like the 92-year-old president of the church was introducing the "new" meaning of "gays" and "lesbians".
Just for fun I plugged "so-called" into britannica.com to see what results it would give. I got the following quotes and have emboldened the "derogatory" term:
"Extracts from John Burnet's Early Greek Philosophy, provided as supplementary material for the Fourth Tetralogy, a study of the so-called middle dialogues of Plato. "
"Information on this American novelist whose writing style and subject matter reflect the so-called punk sensibility that emerged in the 1970s. Covers her writings, texts of her work, reviews, and interviews. Includes images."
There were a few uses in a derogatory sense as well, but I think this answers your question. All of these were from links to other sites on the Web, provided by Britannica's search engine.
Then I plugged "so-called" into Merriam-Webster's online dictionary at Dictionary by Merriam-Webster: America's most-trusted online dictionary.
There were two results, the derogatory (2) and the one our elderly president used (1):
1 : commonly named : popularly so termed
2 : falsely or improperly so named

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gene90
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Message 133 of 239 (26250)
12-10-2002 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by gene90
12-07-2002 4:57 PM


BUMP

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Peter
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Message 134 of 239 (26282)
12-11-2002 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by nator
10-24-2002 10:20 AM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
Sorry, this is more from the above link. Too good to leave out:
"People, especially adults, loving each other and harmlessly having consensual sex are hardly major worries compared to people hating and being mean to each other, such as being prejudice or going to war. Homosexuals who want to love and raise a child are to be supported and praised; children raised by lesbian mothers are just as heterosexual and just as well adjusted as their peers (Tasker, 1995). Likewise, 91% of the sons of gay men (who had been married) lead a heterosexual life style. Gay parents seem to produce straight children."
"Homosexuals simply have the genes, hormones, and/or early childhood experiences that orient them towards their own sex for affection and/or sexual gratification. There are many theories about the causes of homosexuality. And, this needs to be understood better; knowledge would help us give up the notion that it is vile. See Money (1989) for a rather technical summary of the research about homosexuality and unusual sex needs, called paraphilias. I suspect our bodies are built to instinctively respond with interest to almost any kind of sexual activity. Powerful social training is probably necessary to teach us to avoid certain kinds of harmless sexual activity, such as masturbation, and to scorn other activities, such as sex play with our own sex.
(Emphasis on the following added by me)
(Note: we seem to have little interest in theorizing about why heterosexual tendencies, such as breast or buttocks fetishes, occur; we are quite content with the shallow explanation that it is natural. But we seem to need a deeper and more pathological explanation of homosexual tendencies.)"

I seem to remember reading quite a lot of literature aimed
at explaining breast and buttock attractions so there must be
a fair amount of work put into that.
My main question about this thread is really ... what are you
actually asking/getting at?
Most sexual researchers stress that in a very real sense we
all exhibit 'homosexual' tendancies in the sense that we can
respond sexually to any-gender ... our view of homosexuality
must therefore being entirely cultural.
Still ... what are you actually asking/saying etc. ?

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gene90
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Message 135 of 239 (26301)
12-11-2002 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Peter
12-11-2002 8:09 AM


She wants to establish that homosexuality is "natural", therefore it is "morally acceptable". Sort of like, if violence is in a person's genes, then it is "morally acceptable" for them to explode in violent episodes, and anything they do in those episodes (up to and including murder) is perfectly fine and morally acceptable, just because it is in their genetic makeup.
I'm still waiting on a response to her odd use of the term, "so-called".

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joz
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Message 136 of 239 (26312)
12-11-2002 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by gene90
12-07-2002 4:47 PM


quote:
Originally posted by gene90:
Now atheists just use it because they think they think it's still clever (after over a thousand years later) and because misinformed Christians find it offensive.
Actually I use it because it is 5 times quicker to type "x" than "chris"....
Oh and because as you said some of the fundies don`t like it....

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