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Mr. Creationist
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Message 16 of 20 (227120)
07-28-2005 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Chiroptera
07-28-2005 2:11 PM


Re: Young universe
You guys are right I should not bring the Bible on to the science forums. That is a good point about why God had to make the universe look old, however we don't know everything, and we don't know God's reasons, so we have to go by what we can see. I am still going to go by the Bible, becuase it is the only book that really works. I know, I am a Christian.

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CK
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Message 17 of 20 (227123)
07-28-2005 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Mr. Creationist
07-28-2005 2:29 PM


Re: Young universe
If it works for you - no problem. But if you want to argue faith head over the faith bits. Plenty of people will give you a good run for your money there

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Chiroptera
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Message 18 of 20 (227125)
07-28-2005 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Mr. Creationist
07-28-2005 2:29 PM


Re: Young universe
This is exactly why in another thread I made the statement that Calvinist predestination is the only evangelical position that makes any sense. It is impossible to believe the traditional "free will" version of evagelism: that a just and good god will require belief and trust in him to avoid eternal torment when that god allows clear and unambiguous evidence that his teachings are false.

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cavediver
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Message 19 of 20 (227189)
07-28-2005 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Chiroptera
07-28-2005 2:11 PM


Re: Young universe
Unfortunately, I am not well-versed enough in General Relativity to judge Humphrey's work.
Sadly, I've never seen his original book. It's a shame as it would have been a laugh. It was about the same time that a book called "Has Hawking Erred?" came out and was in Heiffers alongside "Brief History" in the Math/Physics section. I have to admit that I was in tears reading "Has..." although I was outraged that Heiffers could be so stupid as to put it in with the real books...
Anyway, I've looked at his "rebuttals" to Conner & Page's critiques and they are laughable. BUT, you have to know what your talking about to understand. And I don't mean basic postgrad level GR either. Although his use of words and analogies to refute mathematics (always a bad sign) should sound the warning bells, his own mathemtics does look convincing... sort of. But he falls apart. His original work is torn apart by Conner & Page. His reply depends on re-interpreting his book results based on discovering the non-lorentzian regions of his metric, having read about them from a paper or two by Ellis... he then gives "obvious" interpretations of what can be done with these non-lorentzian regions. But at this stage he really doesn't know what he's talking about. Definitions break down and trying to make sense of "evolution" across such boundaries is a nightmare. Fortunately for him, he knows there are not many around in a position to argue. I'm too rusty to attack at the level of Page (Page was Hawking's student back around 1980) but I'm almost in the mood to crank back up to speed

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Rahvin
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Message 20 of 20 (229749)
08-04-2005 12:23 PM
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07-28-2005 2:11 PM


Re: Young universe
Humphrey's "solution" has the same exact problem as the "light in transit" idea -- God purposely, for no good reason, creates the universe with the appearance of age.
Of course, if you accept this, you must also consider the possibility that God created the universe exactly as it is, with all of our memories and such pregenerated, ten minutes ago.

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