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kjsimons
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Message 46 of 56 (234839)
08-19-2005 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by PurpleYouko
08-19-2005 12:54 PM


Re: I've seen more with God, but....
LOL! Well he was a friend of the guy, so he figured doubling his money was good enough! It was pretty funny though, he had the guy sign a paper and he put it in a matchbox labled "so&so's Soul" (name blocked to protect the guilty) on it.

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Message 47 of 56 (234840)
08-19-2005 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by kjsimons
08-19-2005 1:21 PM


Re: I've seen more with God, but....
I wonder what the technical name for some who collects souls is?
(I just know some smart-ass is going to say Satan)

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Omnivorous
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Message 48 of 56 (235157)
08-21-2005 12:01 AM
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08-19-2005 1:24 PM


Soul Collector
PurpleYouko writes:
I wonder what the technical name for some[one] who collects souls is?
(I just know some smart-ass is going to say Satan)
James Brown.

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crashfrog
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Message 49 of 56 (235166)
08-21-2005 12:16 AM
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08-19-2005 1:24 PM


Re: I've seen more with God, but....
I wonder what the technical name for some who collects souls is?
I don't believe there's such a word, so let's make one up. I propose either "animologist" (from the Latin anima-) or "spirologist". Traditionally the Greek would be psych- but "psychologist" is already taken.

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John
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Message 50 of 56 (235167)
08-21-2005 12:17 AM
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08-21-2005 12:01 AM


Re: Soul Collector
Jesus.
The devil doesn't want your soul, Jesus does.

No webpage found at provided URL: www.hells-handmaiden.com

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Tal
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Message 51 of 56 (236771)
08-25-2005 11:00 AM


To get this thread back on topic, here is an example of a true life miracle.
My mom works on the recovery floor of hospitals (most of the time) as a travel nurse. This is one of her stories.
Tal's Mom (RN) writes:
I was down the hall in the hospital, just walking out of one of my patient's room when I heard "Code Blue" called to one of my other patient's room. He was a big man, 6 foot 6 inches, and you can imagine how much he weighed. "Code Blue" was called again overhead, and I started running. "God help," I prayed. I had argued with the anesthesiologist the day before about this patient's epidural pain medication - I didn't like the setting, but Rn's are not allowed to touch, so it was left like it was. I got to the door just as they called "Code Blue" again. I pushed the door open as the people in the room got him into the chair. I took my stethoscope from around my neck, put it in place in my ears, and onto his chest just as I got to him. No sound. No beats. No chest movement. Right then, the patient's doctor walked into the room calling out the patient's name loudly. The patient picked his head up, and answered the doctor. Then his heart started beating, and breath sounds started.

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kjsimons
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Message 52 of 56 (236786)
08-25-2005 11:38 AM
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08-25-2005 11:00 AM


Not a clear case of a miracle Tal. People's hearts sometimes stop and restart. Sometimes they go into an inbetween state where some blood is circulated but not in full beats. This might have been one of those cases.

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Tal
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Message 53 of 56 (236802)
08-25-2005 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by kjsimons
08-25-2005 11:38 AM


People's hearts sometimes stop and restart.
Interesting. Have any facts to back that up? A link?
And, how does someone wake and talk before their circulatory and respirtory systems are operating?
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Message 54 of 56 (237001)
08-25-2005 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by iano
08-16-2005 7:31 AM


Mediums, schmediums.
iano writes:
- he would book under an assumed name.
- he would tell her during booking that he wouldn't say a word during the session other than introduce himself by his assumed name.
So, wouldn't the first thing this fantastic, nickname-guessing, hip problem-divining, newspaper-holding pose-figurer say is "Your dad's here and he's telling me your real name is __________ and not the one you booked your appointment under."?

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LauraG
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Message 55 of 56 (237007)
08-25-2005 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Tal
08-25-2005 12:43 PM


Adding to the "miracle".
Tal writes:
And, how does someone wake and talk before their circulatory and respirtory systems are operating?
Interesting. I thought you said his heart started beating and he started beating. We're all the way up to waking and talking now?
(Edit: Never mind. I just re-read that post and saw the waking and talking was in there.)
Still, it doesn't seem to be beyond a natural explanation.
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Tal
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Message 56 of 56 (237305)
08-26-2005 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by LauraG
08-25-2005 7:10 PM


Re: Adding to the "miracle".
Still, it doesn't seem to be beyond a natural explanation.
You may be right Laura. I emailed her for more details.
From my experience (Combat Life Saver US Army - only basic education in CPR, patching wounds, use of AEDs, etc) if the heart has gone into cardiac arrest (the heart stops beating completely) it has to have an electrical shock to get it started again. It needs a jumpstart.
CPR doesn't restart the heart, it is just there to keep O2 going to the brain.
Why doesn't CPR restart the heart? To understand this we need to understand why the heart has stopped. In general (I will be leaving out choking, trauma, etc...) the heart stops in response to an Acute Myocardial Infarction (a heart attack). An AMI is caused by an interruption of blood flow through the coronary arteries to the muscle of the heart; the heart muscle is very oxygen demanding, and even brief interruptions of flow can cause tissue death. The flow is typically interrupted due to a narrowing of the artery, which has become clogged by fatty plaques (athersclerosis or Coronary Artery Disease). This is what the workout, healthy diet and healthy lifestyle that the American Heart Association promotes is designed to prevent.
The heart is electrically controlled by a small group of cells which form a natural pacemaker (the SA node) which then sends a signal through special heart cells designed to transmit this electrical impulse. When heart muscle dies, it can interrupt or distort this flow of electricity, and cause false signals or no signals to reach the rest of the heart. This results in changes in cardiac rhythms, including life threatening arrhythmias such as Ventricular Fibrillation and asystole. In 'V-Fib', the heart muscles are completely out of sync with each other, and the heart quivers. The treatment for this is an electrical shock from a device called a defibrillator, which resets the heart muscle and pacemaker; this is when they grab for the paddles on 'ER'. V-Fib can be recognized on an EKG as random, jagged lines with no regular rhythm. Asystole, or lack of rhythm, is seen as a flat-line on the EKG. This is treated with drugs, and correction of the underlying condition. Without correction of these electrical problems, CPR will not be able to restart the heart; to use a car analogy, if I disconnect the spark plugs, I can turn the starting motor as much as I want, and the engine won't start.
Understanding CPR
The other issue is neurological revival and answering a question when your blood is not flowing to the brain and the respirtory system wasn't functioning for a given length of time before.
How did he hear the question and then answer before his lungs were working?
There are many things in the medical world that fall out of the norm, which doctors can't explain. Either you think it is still naturally caused somehow, but we haven't discovered the why yet, or there is something supernatural at work.
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