A Closer Look at Pat Robertson

Crash's source is Greg Palast who also claims Kerry really won the election, but it was rigged for Bush. He claims Kerry won Ohio and New Mexico.Not saying he's wrong a priori, but take it for what it's worth. He's a left-wing journalist.

Me too. Good post Randman, good reasoning.

Good clue. Sorry I'm being so useless on this one but I'm glad you are tracking these things down.

Once again, Faith has no basis from which to make a point, so let's just change the subject. Yawn.If you want to talk about statements made about Bush, start a new string. Call it - "We can say what we want about Clinton, but Bush gets a free pass."We're talking about Robertson here. So bring it, or get off the court.

I've been looking at sites on this stuff, and came upon this. Page not found – David IckeYou know, I never heard Bush deny he was a pedophile, child killer and drug runner. I guess he's guilty then by your logic?

This is your second post about us not hearing the counter argument. What is it? You have all of the internet at your disposal. Bring it.

Great people talk about ideas, average people talk about things, and small people talk about wine.
Fran Lebowitz
US writer and humorist (1950 - )Just had to look it up, Charlie...As for Pat Robertson, he is as flawed as any of us...he puts his foot in his mouth a bit too much and he is in a position where many people hear him....but at least he does not talk about wine too much, eh? BTW...Chris can still call me...I want to talk to you guys. The Brothers enigma!

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Convictions are very different from intentions. Convictions are something God gives us that we have to do. Intentions are things that we ought to do, but we never follow through with them.

Well, can someone please tell me this. Where did PR get the money to buy diamond mines and gold mines? Does he have a 2nd job I don't know about? Or, did he get the money to buy a diamond mine from gullable followers who thought they were giving to charity?

OK, let's see what more credible reporting says on the matter of the planes. CNN is liberal, no friend to Pat Robertson, but at least their not claiming Bush is a child killing, drug running pedophile. ErrorSo the campaign donations were given prior to any official investigation. Crash was therefore wrong to call it a bribe, as I suspected.Did the donation influence his decision though, in the sense he was investigating a supporter?Basically, we'll never know, but giving 35K to the campaign of a rising star in his own party and in his own state is not unusually large for a man that is worth over 200 million dollars.Next point: Robertson's spokesman claims he paid for the use of the planes.End of story, folks. If you pay for it, it's not fraud. It may look improper, and the accounting may be off, but most prosecutions in these areas need to show actual financial wrongdoing, and if you pay for something, you haven't stolen it. Maybe this is iffy, but it's understandable why the state would not want to pour resources in a trial where the state might lose with such a weak case and a legally well-represented target.From some other press reports, Operation Blessings was required to do a better job with it's books.

I heard it was a nun who said something like:Small minds talk about people,
Mediocre minds talk about events,
Great minds talk about ideas.A quick google didn't get me its author.

Nuggin, Pat made a lot of money via some shrewd business deals. According to the wiki article, which appears very biased against Robertson: Pat Robertson - WikipediaThere's nothing wrong with using your mind to make a lot of money off good business deals, if the deals are honest, legal, and moral, and it seems like the man made some smart moves outside of the ministry. He apparently made some awesome investments that paid off.Of course, the diamond mine was not one of them.This message has been edited by randman, 08-27-2005 03:28 AM

"Unless my side is making up lies about it, I'm gonna cover my eyes and sit in the corner."If you want to discredit the sites you are attacking, get the information, post it here, point out what's factually wrong and correct it. Otherwise, what are you talking about?

Randman is dead on. This was not a bribe. The official was purchased.

I just think you are right in stating we need to hear both sides, and so thought I'd look into it.I honestly think one of the main problems some have with the guy is that he is so rich. They think he has swindled people to become rich, not realizing he made his money indepedently it seems.They also hate him because he is a conservative. The verbal gaffes and mistakes, imo, are not the primary reasons some hate him. They hate what he represents, imo, as much as any genuine flaws in the man.For myself, I've seen him do things I didn't like such as help go after John McCain, but that's where the political side of the man comes in. His Dad was a senator, and politics is a rough "sport" so to speak.However, I'm not willing to stand in judgment of him as if he is wrong and I am so much more pure. I think we have to be careful not to let politics cause us to act in ways not becoming of a Christian, and I certainly have fallen prone to that from time to time.

I posted credible sites. Crash has not, nor anyone else.What part of the CNN report do you disagree with?