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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
According to columnist Greg Palast Crash's source is Greg Palast who also claims Kerry really won the election, but it was rigged for Bush. He claims Kerry won Ohio and New Mexico. Not saying he's wrong a priori, but take it for what it's worth. He's a left-wing journalist.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Heck, I know of some public ministries that do have immorality of a nature that's very wrong, and if I were to go on a crusade in this area, I'd probably pick on them first.... Me too. Good post Randman, good reasoning.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Good clue. Sorry I'm being so useless on this one but I'm glad you are tracking these things down.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2514 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
As for your call to punish Robertson for his mistakes, sorry. When you and the Left in general apologize for your outrageous uncalled for remarks against Bush and his supporters I'll give it another thought. Once again, Faith has no basis from which to make a point, so let's just change the subject. Yawn. If you want to talk about statements made about Bush, start a new string. Call it - "We can say what we want about Clinton, but Bush gets a free pass." We're talking about Robertson here. So bring it, or get off the court.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I've been looking at sites on this stuff, and came upon this.
His current support for G.W. Bush should be no surprise to Robertson watchers. He supported the then President George Bush in his re-election race in 1992 and Robertson's "Christian Coalition" or "The Religious Right" were massively involved in the Bush camp. Confidential documents obtained by CNN showed that Robertson hand-picked more than 30 Bush campaign leaders and that the Bush campaign got advance information on the printing and distribution of 40 million Christian Coalition voter guides favourable to Bush, who also raised money for the Christian Coalition. How ironic this is when you consider that George Bush is a paedophile, child killer, drug runner, mass murderer, and Satanist. How does that square with the alleged "Christian" beliefs of Robertson and his gang? But then there is far more to the "Religious Right" than religion. If, indeed, at its top level, there is any religion at all that would pass for Christianity. Page not found – David Icke You know, I never heard Bush deny he was a pedophile, child killer and drug runner. I guess he's guilty then by your logic?
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2514 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
If the other side doesn't get a hearing I'd say you are seriously at fault for slanderous hearsay. This is your second post about us not hearing the counter argument. What is it? You have all of the internet at your disposal. Bring it.
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Phat Member Posts: 18299 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Great people talk about ideas, average people talk about things, and small people talk about wine.
Fran Lebowitz US writer and humorist (1950 - ) Just had to look it up, Charlie...As for Pat Robertson, he is as flawed as any of us...he puts his foot in his mouth a bit too much and he is in a position where many people hear him....but at least he does not talk about wine too much, eh? BTW...Chris can still call me...I want to talk to you guys. The Brothers enigma! It's not about how much you know, but what you do with what you know. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Convictions are very different from intentions. Convictions are something God gives us that we have to do. Intentions are things that we ought to do, but we never follow through with them.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2514 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
But offhand owning something or being rich doesn't strike me as a heinous crime Well, can someone please tell me this. Where did PR get the money to buy diamond mines and gold mines? Does he have a 2nd job I don't know about? Or, did he get the money to buy a diamond mine from gullable followers who thought they were giving to charity?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
OK, let's see what more credible reporting says on the matter of the planes. CNN is liberal, no friend to Pat Robertson, but at least their not claiming Bush is a child killing, drug running pedophile.
Earlier this decade, Robertson lost up to $7 million in a failed diamond-mining venture in the former Zaire, now the Democratic Republic of Congo. Two years ago, The Virginian-Pilot reported that planes sent to Zaire by Robertson's tax-exempt humanitarian organization, Operation Blessing, were used almost exclusively to ferry equipment to the diamond venture, citing two pilots as its sources. A Robertson spokesman said Operation Blessing was reimbursed by Robertson for use of the planes. Virginia Attorney General Mark Earley, who received a $35,000 campaign contribution from Robertson in 1997, has been investigating the pilots' claims. The investigation should be completed in a few weeks, an Earley spokesman said. Error So the campaign donations were given prior to any official investigation. Crash was therefore wrong to call it a bribe, as I suspected. Did the donation influence his decision though, in the sense he was investigating a supporter? Basically, we'll never know, but giving 35K to the campaign of a rising star in his own party and in his own state is not unusually large for a man that is worth over 200 million dollars. Next point: Robertson's spokesman claims he paid for the use of the planes. End of story, folks. If you pay for it, it's not fraud. It may look improper, and the accounting may be off, but most prosecutions in these areas need to show actual financial wrongdoing, and if you pay for something, you haven't stolen it. Maybe this is iffy, but it's understandable why the state would not want to pour resources in a trial where the state might lose with such a weak case and a legally well-represented target. From some other press reports, Operation Blessings was required to do a better job with it's books.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I heard it was a nun who said something like:
Small minds talk about people,Mediocre minds talk about events, Great minds talk about ideas. A quick google didn't get me its author.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Nuggin, Pat made a lot of money via some shrewd business deals. According to the wiki article, which appears very biased against Robertson:
Robertson has made a number of shrewd business deals. Probably the most lucrative was the purchase of a number of FM radio stations in the 1960s (when they were viewed by most investors as worthless technology) and selling them in the 1980s for massive gains. Pat Robertson - Wikipedia There's nothing wrong with using your mind to make a lot of money off good business deals, if the deals are honest, legal, and moral, and it seems like the man made some smart moves outside of the ministry. He apparently made some awesome investments that paid off. Of course, the diamond mine was not one of them. This message has been edited by randman, 08-27-2005 03:28 AM
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2514 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
So until you can find it discussed on a mainstream Christian site or a conservative site or a legal site or a neutral site or a major media site for that matter, I would take it with a huge grain of salt. "Unless my side is making up lies about it, I'm gonna cover my eyes and sit in the corner." If you want to discredit the sites you are attacking, get the information, post it here, point out what's factually wrong and correct it. Otherwise, what are you talking about?
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2514 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
So the campaign donations were given prior to any official investigation. Crash was therefore wrong to call it a bribe, as I suspected. Randman is dead on. This was not a bribe. The official was purchased.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I just think you are right in stating we need to hear both sides, and so thought I'd look into it.
I honestly think one of the main problems some have with the guy is that he is so rich. They think he has swindled people to become rich, not realizing he made his money indepedently it seems. They also hate him because he is a conservative. The verbal gaffes and mistakes, imo, are not the primary reasons some hate him. They hate what he represents, imo, as much as any genuine flaws in the man. For myself, I've seen him do things I didn't like such as help go after John McCain, but that's where the political side of the man comes in. His Dad was a senator, and politics is a rough "sport" so to speak. However, I'm not willing to stand in judgment of him as if he is wrong and I am so much more pure. I think we have to be careful not to let politics cause us to act in ways not becoming of a Christian, and I certainly have fallen prone to that from time to time.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4920 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I posted credible sites. Crash has not, nor anyone else.
What part of the CNN report do you disagree with?
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