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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Rand,
DO you even read what other people post? Message 56 This post clearly shows YOU are wrong on Robertson's position on seperation of church and state. You are starting to sound like an apologist. Accept the reality, you are beginning to look rather silly. I do not think I have heard crashfrog condemn anyone. Robertson has asked people to pray that Supreme Court justices die, that nukes be exploded at gov't institutions and tsunamais are your gods wrath. YOur arguments on seperation of church and state go against 200 years of legal precedence. And the argument that the phrase "se
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
First of all the anabaptists and streams of theology have nothing to do with the laws of the United States.
If you had, you would not exactly what I am talking about and know that I am telling the truth. You are speaking your truth. I see no attempt to denigrate religion. I see an attempt to keep it out of the public sphere. IF the ten commandments are in courthouses, why not the koran or holy books of other religions. How do I as an atheist feel I can get a fair day in court if I walk past the 10 commandments on the way in? Why is your religion any better an any more deserving of veneration in the public sector than any other religions?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
They had influence on the creation of our constitution, but their beliefs do not reflect our constitution. We cannot look at them to decide whehter the US has seperation of church and state. We have to looka the constitution.
Anti-religious people like Thomas Paine were totally discredited in the eyes of the public, and more religious thinkers like Washington, who could arguably be considered an Enlightenment thinker as well, were applauded.
OK please justify these statements. Washington? religious thinker? Also, Please answer my questions from earlier post. By allowing religion and governemnt to mix you mean christianity and religion correct?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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but the Ten Commandments happen to be THE most precise, pithy and complete statement of the universal moral laws. According to your viewpoint. WOuld a hindu feel this way,a taoist, sikh, shinto?
Yes, you could get prosecuted for stealing, for murder, for sexual exhibitionism (all sexual offenses come under the prohibition of adultery) or any other violation of the Ten Commandments In other words if I profane your god the courts should punish me. Who decides what is a sexual offense?
Note: Keeping religion out of the public square is, as Randman is saying, exactly NOT what the Constitution had in mind, exactly the opposite. What is your basis for this belief? HAve you read the first amendemnt? I am at a loss how you get that from what is written.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
There are hundreds of such violations of the amendment absurdly being done in the name of the amendment these days. Please back up statements with facts. And no I do not need the ten commandments in order to live a good, moral life. They have no affect on me whatsoever.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I think I like PR better than you Faith. Even he hasn't gone as far as you and called for a christian version of sharia.
So according to your views, what happens to unbelievers and people like homosexuals if our laws followed the commandements as you advocate?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
oh but you did
Yes, you could get prosecuted for stealing, for murder, for sexual exhibitionism (all sexual offenses come under the prohibition of adultery) or any other violation of the Ten Commandments,
Message 77 added link to her post This message has been edited by Theodoric, 08-27-2005 05:27 PM
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
You don't read very well And I do not appreciate your personal attacks. I think I just might report you. YOu can't have it both ways Faith. If you are going to complain about how people treat you, you deserve to be complained about when you people the same way.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
crashfrog,
I apologize for continually going off topic. I need to stop letting them bait me into pursuing off topic discussions.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
We have been asked to keep this thread on topic.
I was looking for you to show proof for your comments. BUt if have none fine. And there is no need to be condescending, but then again you tend to do that when asked to provide proof for your comments. If church and state are not seperate then they are one (thus mixed). It is an either or.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
and?? your point is??? How does this mean that christianity should be the preemiminat religion?
Oops I let you lead me off topic again. I promise I wont respond to your off topic BS arguments again
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
If there is no seperation of church and state what happens?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Ok I won't bite because you are off topic again, but as always you make claims with no backing evidence. You really need to post evidence if you want to convince anyone. Rhetoric gets you no where
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Please start at the beginning since you think I am so stupid. What was his disagreement with Paine. Then I will start a new thread since you cant seem to keep from going off topic. But I truly want to hear your interpretation of why the extremeely religious(actually a deist)Washington broke with the atheist Paine. This should be fun.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Well lets start a new topic, because you are spouting absolute BS>
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