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Author Topic:   What is the oldest religious text?
hoaryhead 
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Message 18 of 56 (238654)
08-30-2005 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by nator
03-19-2005 10:45 PM


Modern Reference Encyclopedia
1) Hinduism - c. 1500 BC.
2) Law of Moses - 1635-1594 BC.
3) Hierglypics - c. 3000 BC.
4) Cuneforms - c. 3300 BC.
5) Gen 5.1 - c. 4148 BC.
I have read a lot of claims by Atheists, even on this web site, that Hinduism was the oldest religion.
You can imagine my shock when I read that this is trashy talk.
The encyclopedias are compiled by Atheists too.
Egypy only has believed writings as early as 3000 BC.
The first pyramid is believed to be from about 2760 BC.
What does this say about the origin of man?
The evolutionists dating of origin of man is not sustained by any evidence; only theory.
Does thia prove a young earth?
hoaryhead

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hoaryhead 
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Message 25 of 56 (238924)
08-31-2005 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Brian
08-31-2005 5:35 AM


A Bible Timeline
"Mathematics is the most exact science known to man."
This statement has been published by a host of intelligent men; whom I have read over the last 56 years.
Anyone comprehending mathematics knows that this statement is true.
Babylon destroyed Jerusalem, and carried Judah captive in "the 19th year of Nebuchanezzar" (2Ki 25.6-10).
This is dated 588 BC. The 19th year begins after the 18th year.'
606 BC - 18 Years = 588 BC.
The rest is grade school reading comprehension, and grade school math.
Moses wrote from 1635 BC (Ex.) to 1594 BC (Deut.)
BIBLE TIME-LINE
By Sid Williams
OLD TESTAMENT.
1. Create the Heavens and the Earth (Physical) -- not dated.
2. Adam and Eve in Garden of Eden -- not dated.
3. Adam’s first year: 4148 BC (Hebrew MSS); 5614 BC (Septuagint)
4. 1656 years to the Flood: 4148 - 2492 BC
5. Promise to Abram: 2065 BC
6. 430 Years (Gal 3.17, Gen 15.13, Ex 12.40-41); 2065-1635 BC
7. 41 Years in Wilderness: 1635-1594 BC
8. 34 years driving out 7 Nations of Canaan: 1594-1560 BC
9. 450 years of Judges: 1560-1110 BC
10. Samuel judged Israel 20 years: 1110-1090 BC
11. 502.5 yrs kings of Israel & Judah: 1090- 588 BC
12. 70 years Babylonian captivity: 588-518 BC
13. Second temple built: 515 BC
14. Ezra governor of Jerusalem: 480-455 BC
15. Nehemiah governor of Jerusalem: 455-443 BC
PERIODS OF PROPHECY IN OLD TESTAMENT.
1. 70 Weeks of Daniel: 455 BC - AD 35
2. 1260 Days of Daniel: 1258 BC - AD 2
3. 1290 Days of Daniel: 1258 BC - AD 32
4. 1335 Days of Daniel: 1258 BC - AD 77
5. 2300 Days of Daniel: 167 BC - AD 77
6. Seven Shepherds and 8 Lower Princes of Micah: 539 BC - AD 32
7. Parable of 7 Days of Creation: 4148 BC - AD 77
NEW TESTAMENT.
1. Jesus born of Mary, in Bethlehem: 4 BC
2. Jesus 12 years of age: AD 8
3. Jesus dipped in Jordan River; 15th year of Tiberius: AD 28
4. Messiah cut off (crucified) in midst of week: AD. 32
5. Jesus resurrected, and ascended to Third Heaven: AD 32
6. Day of Pentecost: May of AD
7. Jesus confirmed the covenant in One Week: AD 28-35
8. Cornelius, and Gentiles added to Called-out: AD 35
9. First book of New Testament written: AD 53
10. Paul arrested in Jerusalem: AD 60
11. Paul arrived in Rome: AD 63.
12. Paul under house arrest for 2 years: AD 63-65
13. Jesus’ Revelation written: AD 67
14. Tribulation 10 Days: AD 67-77
15. Jesus gone in A Little and returned in A Little [Jn 16.16]: AD 32-77
REVELATION.
1. Five Months [Rev 9.5]: AD 632-782
2. An Hour, a Day, a Month, a Year [Rev 9.15]: AD 680-1071
3. Forty-two Months [Rev 11.2]: AD 600-1860
4. Armageddon [Rev 16.16]: AD 1830-1923
5. Fall of Babylon in One Day [Rev 18.2, 8]: June 1859-May 1860
6. Fall of Babylon in One Hour [Rev 18.2, 10]: Sept. 20, 1870.
7. Millennium [Rev 20.1-7]: AD 1859-1959
8. Gap of time of unknown length. Possible starts: AD 1960 and AD 1963.
9. Satan loosed A Little [Rev 20.3]. Period of 45 Years — John 16.16. This is The Last Battle. Possibly AD 1959-2004; or, AD 1959-2015 (Relates to Fall of Babylon in One Day and One Hour (11 years; AD 1859-1870).
10. Unrecorded period of Seal on Satan is intimated by the operation of God after all previous Victories of God in Battle. For instance, punish all nations were the 12 Tribes of Israel followed by New Jerusalem. Fall of Babylon followed by the Millennium. Possibly, we will have a second Millennium; or, Hundred Years; or, a shorter period with the seal on Satan.
9. Resurrection [Rev 20.11-15]: Not dated.
hoaryhead

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hoaryhead 
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Message 29 of 56 (238967)
08-31-2005 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Nighttrain
08-31-2005 10:02 AM


Re: A Bible Timeline
Nighttrain, "What flood?"
The flood that caused the petrified forest in California.
hoaryhead

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hoaryhead 
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Message 34 of 56 (239117)
08-31-2005 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Brian
08-31-2005 12:18 PM


400 Years and 80 Years
For: Brian;
1) "Now, add the 480 years of 1 Kings 6.1 on to 1006 [BC] and you get 1488 BC for the Exodus."
2) I love it when you Atheists talk so foolishly, as though you were wiser than your Maker, and as though your words could overrule the word of God.
The reason is this: "Sometimes you touch on a subject that I have not investigated, and I feel duty-bound to prove you are wrong, in simple terms."
3) The Papal Dark Ages had men bound to deductive logic, and there was no scientific progress (in Europe only) for 500 years.
Historians had described these people as "incapable of original thought."
But the renaissance restored original thought (in music first), and scientists turned to inductive logic, leading to constantly increasing knowledge.
But Brian has ignored the deliverance from the Dark Ages, and has returned to deductive logic - only.
4) "The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, and dwelt in Haran, and said to him, 'Get out of your country ... and come to a land that I will show you.' ... But God spoke in this way ... that they would bring them into bondage and oppress them 400 years ... At this time Moses was born ... 'Do you want to kill me as you did the Egyptian yesterday?' Then at this saying, Moses fled .. And when 40 years had passed an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire in a bush ... He brought them out, after he had shown wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red Sea, and in the wilderness 40 years" - Acts 7.2-36.
5) Paul also summarized a few main points of the history of Israel; which were:
strangers in land of Egypt - Acts 13.17.
40 years [plus 1 - Num 1.1 (1); 14.34 (40)] in wilderness - 13.18.
destroyed 7 nations - 13.19.
judges about 450 years - 13.20.
Saul was king - 13.21.
David was king - 13.22.
Jesus was seed of David - 13.23. Total years from Egypt to Solomon (in this summary) = 497 years plus 80 years of reigns of Saul and David; now totaling 567 years.
6) Now when we have the story told in such simple terms, besides the original account that was being summarized by these two men, then it is ridiculous for Brian to deny all of this evidence because he does not understand another verse.
7) Another opposer of God also denied the 450 years of Judges. But Paul was dogmatic, saying, "450 years until Samuel the prophet" (13.20).
So then, in the book of Judges we have 410 years of Judges, but it is stated that Israel did not always listen to the judges (2.17); and Eli judged 40 years (1Sam 4.18), "until Samuel."
410 Years + 40 Years = 450 Years of Judges until Samuel.
8) That is too much evidence to be dismissed lightly. But here is what the verse in question
(1 Kings 6.1) means. [This was a supernatural operation. Because I am a faithful witness to the True and Living God, and to His Son, Iesous Anointed; He has promised to send me Wisdom. See: James 1.4-8.]
"He will be (HYHY) in eighty years and in 400 years [Gen 15.13], to coming; sons of Israel; from land of Egypt, in the fourth year, in month of Ziv; this the second month to Solomon 'kinging' over Israel, and he built the temple to 'He Is' (Yahweh)" - 1Ki 6.1.
God was "in" the 80 years [Judg 3.30], and in the 400 years [2035 - 1635 BC], and Solomon built the temple to "He Is" [God is only in the present tense].
That is why the Devil wants your mind on "the long ago" and on "the far off."
hoaryhead

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hoaryhead 
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Message 37 of 56 (239173)
08-31-2005 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Brian
08-31-2005 12:18 PM


Learning to Read
You have not given anything outside the Bible as a reference.
1) Modern Reference Encyclopedia - dating Hinduism last.
2) Josephus, the world famous Jewish historian.
3) Encyclopedia date - 606 BC - for fall of Judah in 588 BC.
4) Robert Milligan.
5) John L. Bray.
6) 4 book titles on "inclusive language."
7) Modern Reference Encyclopedia - dating last book of Old Testament in 2nd century BC.
I am sure there have been many others; but you have lied about everything that I have posted.
hoaryhead

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hoaryhead 
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Message 39 of 56 (239177)
08-31-2005 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by MangyTiger
08-31-2005 4:38 PM


Petrified Forest in Arizona
Thank you.
I stand corrected.
You stand disproved saying, "no flood."
hoaryhead

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