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Rahvin
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Message 19 of 56 (238665)
08-30-2005 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by hoaryhead
08-30-2005 6:23 PM


Re: Modern Reference Encyclopedia
Hoaryhead, all of the references people have been using are referenceds to the first time the beliefs were written down. By that standary, the Torah, along with it's Genesis account, are not as old as the writings of the religions mentioned.
Your derived date for Creation is just that - a derived date, not the verified date of the oldest text found.
If I write a book that describes the world 2 million years ago, does that mean the belief is 2 million years old? Certainly not.
All that can be proven is the age of the texts themselves. By that measurement, we can see that the Genesis story is by no means the first written religious text.
I have read a lot of claims by Atheists, even on this web site, that Hinduism was the oldest religion.
You can imagine my shock when I read that this is trashy talk.
The encyclopedias are compiled by Atheists too.
The source of an argument is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if the "encyclopedias were written by atheists." All that matters is the evidence, and you have provided none.
Do you have any evidence that the Judaic texts are older than the Hindu Rig Veda, or the Egyptian religious writings? Do you have evidence that the religious wall paintings made by the Australian Aboriginees are not 50,000-80,000 years old as others in this thread have claimed?
You can imagine my shock when I read that this is trashy talk.
And can you make a single post without making an ad hominem attack?
What does this say about the origin of man?
The evolutionists dating of origin of man is not sustained by any evidence; only theory.
Does thia prove a young earth?
Well, if the Aboriginal writings are indeed 50-80,000 years old, that would pretty much disprove the 6,000 year old Young Earth, wouldn't it?
As to the rest - the age of writings cannot determine the age of the Earth, except that obviously a text cannot be older than the planet itself. Your comment here is off-topic and irrelevant to this discussion.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 27 of 56 (238951)
08-31-2005 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by hoaryhead
08-31-2005 9:39 AM


Re: A Bible Timeline
Hoaryhead, your entire post is irrelevant to this discussion. Mathematically deirving dates talked about in the Bible is not what we are discussing. We are discussing the age of the texts themselves. As in, the age of the paper they were written on. The date these ideas were first written down.
We are not talking about the ideas themselves. Just because one book talks about events 4000 years ago doesn't make the text or even the belief system 4000 years old.
Yes, the beliefs may have been held before they were put into written form - that's not an unusual occurance. But the only way we can get a real date out of a belief system is to measure the age of its oldest text, whether it's the Torah, the Rig Veda, or Aboriginal cave paintings.
Please stop repeating yourself. We all heard you the first time, but your "mathematically derived" dates are not relevant to this discussion.
Oh, and by the way - math is only as accurate in an instance like this as its root assumptions. If any of the dates you used from the Bible are incorrect or the events you used as a starting point never happened (ie, the Flood), then all the math in the world is irrelevant.

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Message 31 of 56 (239003)
08-31-2005 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by hoaryhead
08-31-2005 12:24 PM


Re: A Bible Timeline
The flood that caused the petrified forest in California.
You think a global Flood caused the petrified forest?!
This is a decent description of what caused the petrification of the trees. It's written more towards a wide audience, so even kids can understand, but it serves the purpose.
It was a geologic and chemical process that took a longer period of time than you believe the universe to have existed! Certainly not a Flood that never happened!

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Message 36 of 56 (239157)
08-31-2005 5:42 PM
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08-31-2005 4:29 PM


Re: 400 Years and 80 Years
hoaryhead, you're posting gibberish that is totally irrelevant to this discussion. Either post something about the age of a Biblical text being older than any other religious text, or conceed and be quiet. I for one will ignore you until you actually post something on-topic and backed up with evidence, and not filled with ad hominem attacks.
If you don't do this soon, I'd put money on the Admins giving you a little vacation from posting.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Message 42 of 56 (239193)
08-31-2005 6:46 PM
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08-31-2005 6:33 PM


Re: You are suspended for 24 hours.
If you don't do this soon, I'd put money on the Admins giving you a little vacation from posting.
Wow, that didn't take long

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