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jar
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Message 11 of 157 (256480)
11-03-2005 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Buzsaw
11-03-2005 8:53 AM


Questions buz needs to answer.
  1. Natural Disasters since 1948 are increasing compared to ....?
  2. The Biblical Prophecy that says Natural Disasters will increase is found at .... Book, ... Chapter, ... Verse?
Until buz can answer those two questions there really isn't anything to discuss.

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jar
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Message 15 of 157 (256612)
11-03-2005 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw
11-03-2005 8:50 PM


Re: Questions buz needs to answer.
So far as I am aware the thread was not a comparison.
I'm sorry buz, but you cannot say something is increasing unless you have something to compare it to. Mybe that will help you understand why most folk consider Robertson, Falwell, Phelps, Dobson, Scott and the vast majority of televangelists idiots. Complete idiots. Or perhaps just con men.
Zephenaiah? You have got to be kidding me. For those that like to read along, here is a link to the first Chapter of Zephenaiah. Read all three chapters, they are short. It's talking about events from nearly 2500-3000 years ago.
Joel? Again, it's short, read all three chapters. It's a general lament and song of praise. It is not prophetic and certainly has nothing to do with today.
I've already dealt with your assertions from Revelations.
SO basically buz, not one of those says anything about increasing natural disasters.
Please, see if you can find something that supports your assertion.

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jar
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Message 23 of 157 (256749)
11-04-2005 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Buzsaw
11-03-2005 11:59 PM


Re: Questions buz needs to answer.
Buz, Prophets were folk that MIGHT be bringing a message from GOD. They were not folk that fortold the future beyond the immediate (within the lifetime of the listeners). To try and take utterances that were relevant 2500-3000 years ago as you did with Joel and Zephenaiah is IMHO, misleading. Zephenaiah was speaking about his own day and time. And, like many such Bible prophecies, it is a mixture of rehtoric and admonition. Keep reading Joel and you find that all the problems passed and it turns into a song of praise.
You asked for prophetic references to disasters, did you not? How about refuting that these are references of Biblical prophecies concerning end times and of disaster?
I did. I pointed out where you were taking things out of context and have always included links to the full text so that people could see exactly how you twist and spin sections.
The record stands. People can read your messages, and they can read mine. They will decide who is being open and through and who is trying to mislead.

The question still remains, "Natural disasters are increasing compared to ...?"


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jar
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Message 24 of 157 (256751)
11-04-2005 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Buzsaw
11-03-2005 11:33 PM


Re: Increasing compared to...
An increase simply means you compare recent years with former years within a given timeframe, which I've stated, to determine whether there is indeed an increase or not.
What is the timeframe?

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jar
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Message 31 of 157 (256813)
11-04-2005 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by nwr
11-04-2005 11:29 AM


Re: Increasing compared to...
On a technical point, buzsaw seems to be correct. In mathematics we can say that f is increasing over time if df/dt is positive - apologies for introducing calculus.
That's fine and if I can get buz to say that is what he's doing, then we will look at that series and see what it shows.
But so far I have not been able to pin buz down on exactly what it is he's saying. Gotta get that straight first and then perhaps we can go on from there.
If all we are looking at are natural disasters between 1948 and today, then that's what we'll try to examine.

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jar
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Message 47 of 157 (257171)
11-05-2005 9:09 PM
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11-05-2005 8:52 PM


Re: Questions buz needs to answer.
The discussion is about frequency trends relative to time frames. You seem to be the only one not yet comprehending that.
Okay, what are the time frames?

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jar
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Message 50 of 157 (257207)
11-05-2005 10:48 PM
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11-05-2005 10:42 PM


Re: Questions buz needs to answer.
I assume that historically, it's been relatively stable over the centuries from the information we have.
If I can show you that is an incorrect assumption, how should we proceed?

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jar
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Message 62 of 157 (257381)
11-06-2005 10:16 PM
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11-06-2005 10:06 PM


Re: Questions buz needs to answer.
Well, when you're ready just start a thread because there is lots and lots and lots and lots of data.

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jar
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Message 93 of 157 (258436)
11-10-2005 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by tardygm2
11-10-2005 9:00 AM


You're from Texas, you should know better.
Don't embarrass us samyy. What Hurricane killed the most people in the US? Where did it make landfall? When?

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jar
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Message 100 of 157 (258840)
11-11-2005 12:31 PM
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11-11-2005 10:37 AM


Re: How old is Pat?
If he were unique, I might agree. But unfortunately he is but one of a large body of such nutcases and the 700 Club has a passel of followers that seem to agree with his pronouncements.

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jar
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Message 101 of 157 (258998)
11-11-2005 9:47 PM


Is there any difference between Osama Bin Laden and Pat Robertson?
Both threaten destruction to US citizens and encourage others to violence. Why isn't Robertson listed on the most wanted list right beside Osama Bin Laden?

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jar
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Message 108 of 157 (259216)
11-12-2005 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Buzsaw
11-12-2005 10:03 PM


Re: Is there any difference between Osama Bin Laden and Pat Robertson?
That's a nice spin on Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell's Call to Jihad Buz. Blame it on GOD.
But those idiots along with other's like Bill O'Reilly are just slightly more sophisticated in spinning the media (that THEY control) and calling down the wrath of God on the city of San Fransico, in blaming 9-11 on sinners, on calling for the assasination of people that actually try to do what GOD really want's like teach children to read, in damning citizens that were smart enough to understand that they don't have to raise their children in willfull ignorance.
Yeah, 100,000 to 300,00 AK47s, an obsolete gun from 50 years ago and an ammunition factory are real threats to world peace. I'm sure the Marines are shaking in their boots over that one.
But don't worry Buz, the Christian-Right Wing Cabal that run this nation are already putting together plans to deal with the threat from Chavez.
Let's git them threats like Syria and Venezuuela
AbE:
Also, I wouold say that encouraging anyone to "nuke" the State Department doesn't count as a terrorist threat in your eyes.
Pat Robertson wants to nuke the State Department
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Message 116 of 157 (259231)
11-12-2005 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Chiroptera
11-12-2005 10:58 PM


Re: Very interesting.
The AK-47 was developed in 1943. For a nation to buy 300,000 such rifles for their military is really no big deal. For a nation to want to have an ammunition factory is also not really a big deal. The AK-47 is a great old work horse, but it's hardly state-of-the-art.

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jar
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Message 143 of 157 (262604)
11-23-2005 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Buzsaw
11-22-2005 11:49 PM


How about Robertson saying that US Citizens should be nuked?
you really need to know more about the terrorists like Robertson and the others on the 700 Club.
Robertson says State Department should be nuked
CNN report on the event

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jar
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Message 146 of 157 (263313)
11-26-2005 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Buzsaw
11-26-2005 12:38 PM


Re: How about Robertson saying that US Citizens should be nuked?
From the CNN article.
In a June interview with Mowbray on the "700 Club", Robertson made similar remarks.
"Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up like Newt Gingrich wants to do," he said.
Robertson was referring to former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who was part of a group of conservatives accusing the State Department of undermining U.S. foreign policy by coddling authoritarian governments in the Middle East.

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