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Fine tuning: a discussion for the rest of us mortals

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Yaro
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Message 21 of 83 (261243)
11-19-2005 10:29 AM

The universe is not fine tuned
The fine tuning argument is not only flawed, it's just plain wrong.
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Just a few billion years ago the universe wasn't fine tuned to support life at all. It was to damn hot, the sun was huge, and the earth was a pile of gas and dust.
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In a few billion years in the future the earth will be demolished by a nova sun and by all accounts andromeda will be crashing into our galaxy.
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Anyone who can look at the universe and deduce that it gives a shit about life on earth, is exhibiting the epitomy of wishfull thinking.
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Yaro
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11-23-2005 10:02 AM 		Reply to: Message 27 by cavediver
11-20-2005 12:35 PM

Re: The universe is not fine tuned
It was finely tuned for the propensity/possibility of life. We are the proof of that.
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My objection to the term "finely tuned" is that it implies intent. Not only does it imply intent, but it also implyes that life was it's ultimate purpose (specificaly human life).
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The universe is just as finely tuned for the existance of gas giants and black holes. The fact that life is a possibility in this universe, does not imply intent or purpose.
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That is the universe's way of saying "get off of your collective arses and go explore!" Or as God put it, "go forth and multiply"
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I agree about this
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Hmm, I used to think that way about my parents too... but I know better now.
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Are you implying that the universe is our "parent"? In a sentient personable way?
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