Ringo,responding to Wiz writes:
Those properties of matter would still be there even if we weren't here.
But who would be around to prove it? And if nobody were around, how can there be facts without observers? The old "If a tree falls in the forest...." philosophy.
Yaro writes:
Just a few billion years ago the universe wasn't fine tuned to support life at all. It was too damn hot, the sun was huge, and the earth was a pile of gas and dust.
Again, empirical speculation at best....nobody observed it except telescopes peering backwards through time
In a few billion years in the future the earth will be demolished by a nova sun and by all accounts andromeda will be crashing into our galaxy.
Based on current probabilities deduced through science. In all probability, however, we will have revised our current probabilities quite a bit in a few hundred years, much less billion !!
Anyone who can look at the universe and deduce that it gives a shit about life on earth, is exhibiting the epitomy of wishfull thinking.
Ive never deduced that the universe is a personality!
This message has been edited by Phat, 11-20-2005 10:00 AM