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Author Topic:   Take the state out of the schools!!!!!
mark24
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Message 16 of 107 (26544)
12-13-2002 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Chara
12-13-2002 6:33 PM


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You are absolutely right gene ... so who do you trust your children to? A teacher who doesn't know about science, who may or may not care that she does, or a parent who loves their child and desires for them to get the best education they can get, and is willing to do the work to make sure they do.
Perhaps leaving your children to people who are QUALIFIED to teach science would be the best approach?
Mark
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[This message has been edited by mark24, 12-13-2002]

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mark24
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Message 20 of 107 (26549)
12-13-2002 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Chara
12-13-2002 7:27 PM


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Define qualified.
[This message has been edited by Chara, 12-13-2002]
Someone with qualifications in a/ science, & b/ teach.
Mark
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mark24
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Message 22 of 107 (26551)
12-13-2002 8:01 PM
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12-13-2002 7:50 PM


Chara,
Joz put it better in post 19 than I did.
This concept of homeschooling horrifies me. True, there are some shite schools, but how on earth can one set of parents possibly hope to compete with people who have done nothing but study subject xyz for 3 years plus?
I seriously worry at the parents agendas when they feel they have to homeschool their kids.
Mark
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mark24
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Message 27 of 107 (26661)
12-15-2002 5:17 PM
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12-15-2002 4:51 PM


Funk,
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Just because you studied a subject for 3 years doesn't make you qualified to teach. You may know a great deal about the subject but do you have a heart and a gift to teach it? I have run into teachers who are brilliant, but were terrible teachers.
A non-argument. What makes you think parents are good teachers, anyway? They may think they are. If you had two people, one, the parent, & the other a qualified teacher holding a mathematics degree, who would most likely make the best job of imparting mathematical knowledge to the child? Do you see how silly your argument sounds? That there are bad teachers is irrelevant, their are bad teaching parents too. At least the teacher accredited by the relevant authorities.
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A parent who loves their child knows how that child learns. A parent who loves their children will go to all ends to provide a proper education.
Well, that's nice, I'm sure.
Do you know anyone with a degree level knowledge of mathematics, English, geography, history, biology, chemistry, physics etc etc PLUS the relevant qualification in teaching? If not, how can you possibly equate a system that provides all of the above, with parents that may not have ANY of the above? If not, it looks like these parents never went to "all ends" to provide their children with a proper education, does it? It seems to me that the best way to get your children a "proper" education is to send them to school.
What is the real reason parents want to homeschool their children, apart from depriving them of day long interaction with large numbers of their peers? What are they afraid of, that their kids will catch evolution?
Mark
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[This message has been edited by mark24, 12-15-2002]

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mark24
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Message 89 of 107 (28458)
01-05-2003 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by funkmasterfreaky
01-05-2003 6:37 PM


All,
I think the salient point is that murders due to gun crime is at least five times greater per capita in the US than the UK. Why is there still an argument? Do people love the guns they profess never to use in anger so much, that they are prepared to accept thousands more dead / annum than would occur if they were banned? Seems like it to me. If people have them, a proportion will use them. It's true that it's people that kill, not the weapon, but they still present an easy tool for people to use if they are present. If a gun is present it may be used, if it isn't, it won't.
In short, no guns = fewer murders.
I agree my argument may well be simplistic, since the guns used are often illegal anyway, this is certainly true in the UK where most weapons held by youths are converted replicas & air rifles. There was a change in the law recently banning handguns to calibres off 0.22 maximum. The only people who legally hold handguns are club members who are never the problem anyway. The flip side is that the criminals recourse is to convert other non-firearms, & they usually do such a bad job that the guns are extremely low powered. A man survived two direct shots to the head at point blank, to give an example. The problem the US faces is that it is routinely possible to get large calibre weapons illegally, & there is a huuuuuge gun culture. Killing is easy & trivial when you have a gun on your person, not so easy otherwise, why allow people the "red mist"/act-in-anger option?
Ban guns. Are people really that selfish that they will accept thousands of unnecessary deaths per year for the sake of "a right to bear arms"? It seems a case of a constitution not working for the benefit of the people, to me.
Mark
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