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Philip Member (Idle past 4722 days) Posts: 656 From: Albertville, AL, USA Joined: |
jar writes:
(1) "Unconstitutional" seems to me like "unbiblical", oft-ammended/interpreted to mean almost anything (by both sides). Yet it seems to have evolved into an excellent "disclaimer" against all *vicars* in the US ...be it Pope, Darwin, Al Qaeda, N.A.S., Philip, or the like. Philip writes: Any such statements would be ... (1) unconstitutional as well as (2) really really bad science.
1) God (specially) created Heaven and Earth2) God (specially) created living entities 3) God (specially) created "psyches" (2) I concede, it sounds really really bad on science paper. But, the alternative theories of evolution for these 3 *key events* are really really bad flaws, puny scientists delving into infinitely-complex-mysteries; and/or worse yet: "science disproving science" The greatest flaw continues: science authority misrepresents itself to 9nth graders and (ignorantly) comes across as disproving all *spiritual events* to these children, beginning with these 3 *key* events. Science academia is most excellent, I agree ... But, we're know-it-alls, puffed-up, defensive, flawed, and clumsy... to various extents. Should little Sally fully trust everything she reads from Philip, Jar, the N.A.S. and other biology hirelings? They have sin, too. There's plenty of blame to go around. Who knows? ... Being 'cool' and pre-confessing our sins with public science disclaimers everywhere might actually benefit R&D, discoveries, genetic breakthroughs, etc. ... evoking more excellent science breakthroughs and fewer perverted flaws. -----------------------------It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. (Luk 17:2)
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4145 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
I know your latest message wasn't a reply to me...but I have to ask: What are you talking about?
For example, what is the meaning of this sentence?:Philip writes: Seriously. I have no clue what it is you are trying to say here. (1) "Unconstitutional" seems to me like "unbiblical", oft-ammended/interpreted to mean almost anything (by both sides). Yet it seems to have evolved into an excellent "disclaimer" against all *vicars* in the US ...be it Pope, Darwin, Al Qaeda, N.A.S., Philip, or the like."Unconstitutional seems to me like unbiblical"...this means nothing. "disclaimer against all vicars in the US...be it Pope, Darwin, Al Qaeda..."Again, this is senseless rambling.
Philip writes: You have said similar things in previous posts but when I have repeatedly asked you to explain how the ToE is "flawed" you ignore the question(s). How about it Philip? Will you please explain how the ToE is flawed?
(2) I concede, it sounds really really bad on science paper. But, the alternative theories of evolution for these 3 *key events* are really really bad flaws, puny scientists delving into infinitely-complex-mysteries; and/or worse yet: "science disproving science" Philip writes: And this means what, exactly?
Should little Sally fully trust everything she reads from Philip, Jar, the N.A.S. and other biology hirelings? They have sin, too. There's plenty of blame to go around. Philip writes: Pre-confessing our sins? How can you pre-confess a sin? And again with the “perverted flaws" that you have never elaborated on, despite repeated requests from myself to please do so. Maybe in your next post? Please.
Who knows? ... Being 'cool' and pre-confessing our sins with public science disclaimers everywhere might actually benefit R&D, discoveries, genetic breakthroughs, etc. ... evoking more excellent science breakthroughs and fewer perverted flaws.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm sorry Philip but you post is simply utter trash and nonsense.
Should little Sally fully trust everything she reads from Philip, Jar, the N.A.S. and other biology hirelings? No, little Sally should be taught the tools of critical thinking so that she can recognize the lies and distortions spewed forth by the supporters of ID, Biblical Creationism and much of the Conservative Christian movement. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
1) God (specially) created Heaven and Earth 2) God (specially) created living entities 3) God (specially) created "psyches" If you want them in schools or some sort of disclaimer, prove that they are scientific and not religiously based. We are a country whose basis for existence and basis for all laws is the Constiution, not the christian bible or any other book of faith.
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Carico Inactive Member |
So are you interested in teaching truth of fiction? If you're interested in teaching the truth, then there is no reason to try to keep the biblical account of creation out of the classrooms, unless, of course, you're afraid of hearing and teaching all sides of an issue.
This message has been edited by Carico, 12-28-2005 06:39 PM
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2302 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Carico, considering your abysmal record in science threads around here, I suggest that you have no clue about truth or fiction.
When you are ready to learn what others have to say (I didn't say agree with what others have to say) about science topics, then you might have a leg to stand on. Asgara "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now" Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! http://asgarasworld.bravepages.comhttp://perditionsgate.bravepages.com
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5195 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Carico,
So are you interested in teaching truth of fiction? The truth. Which rules out the scientifically contradicted creationism.
If you're interested in teaching the truth, then there is no reason to try to keep the biblical account of creation out of the classrooms, unless, of course, you're afraid of hearing and teaching all sides of an issue. And does your scholarly leniency go so far as teaching other religions creation accounts as well as chistianities? It really goes back to teaching the truth, or at least the best we can know. The biblical creation account & timeline is scientifically contradicted. Even were that not true, the biblical account has no supporting evidence & therefore no real veracity. This is why it is a religion & they have to put so much stock in pure faith. Moreover, you have a post (or two) to catch up with here. I particularly took offense with being called liar. Please show me where I lied or retract the accusation. You are supposed to be a christian. Act like one. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
If you're interested in teaching the truth, then there is no reason to try to keep the biblical account of creation out of the classrooms, unless, of course, you're afraid of hearing and teaching all sides of an issue. What about those of us that don't accept this account as truth? The hell with us? Tough luck because it is good for us? Are any other creations stories going to be allowed to be taught? Is it your way only? Pretty damn pompous of you to demand that everyone have your beliefs. This message has been edited by Theodoric, 12-28-2005 06:20 PM Barb's Site Exposing the radical right with facts
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Carico writes:
Neither. So are you interested in teaching truth of fiction? I'm interested in teaching method, process, understanding. That gives students what they need to be able to make their own assessments of truth.
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Funkaloyd Inactive Member |
Reading comprehension can help, too.
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Philip Member (Idle past 4722 days) Posts: 656 From: Albertville, AL, USA Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
This is utter trash and nonsense! If you want... some sort of disclaimers, prove that they are scientific and not religiously based. A disclaimer against false science in classrooms is humanistic and legalistic (i.e., to protect against freaky science) (Disclaimers need not be religious nor scientific): E.g.: "Don't believe everything you read""Theories are not always fact" "Scientific flaws and gaps abound in the following material ..." ...etc.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
"Theories are not always fact" Theories are never facts. Theories are explanitory models developed to explain facts. Theories do not ever become facts, no matter how well-proven they become; theories are made of facts.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5195 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Philip,
A disclaimer against false science in classrooms is humanistic and legalistic (i.e., to protect against freaky science) But not when directed against perfectly valid science because it offends evidence free religion. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Philip Member (Idle past 4722 days) Posts: 656 From: Albertville, AL, USA Joined: |
"Theories are never facts. Theories are explanitory models developed to explain facts." Good point concerning scientific fact(s) (if there be such a thing).
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Philip Member (Idle past 4722 days) Posts: 656 From: Albertville, AL, USA Joined: |
Now how can perfectly valid science offend religion or perfectly valid religion offend science?
The disclaimer is against assumptions of science as being perfectly valid. Because the current mega-ToE is not perfectly valid and is, moreover, seriously flawed and fluked; it must be disclaimed as flawed and such.
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