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Author Topic:   What’s YEC explanation for the emergence of races?
Aryeh Shavit
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Message 1 of 47 (27832)
12-25-2002 9:39 AM


I wonder how the YEC scientists explain the existence of human races. Specifically:
1) How did the descendants of Adam and Eve become so racially different during just a few thousands of years?
2) Why do the different races live in different geographical zones and how did they manage to arrive there. For example how did the Australian aborigines arrive to Australia?
Thanks in advance,
Aryeh.

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Aryeh Shavit
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Message 4 of 47 (27879)
12-26-2002 3:10 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Gzus
12-25-2002 2:25 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Gzus:
One word, ‘babble’
Are you saying that at Babel people not only started to speak different languages but also changed their physical appearance? Does Bible talk about it?
How did then all the Australian aborigines manage to migrate to Australia?

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Aryeh Shavit
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Message 6 of 47 (27910)
12-26-2002 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by joz
12-26-2002 8:34 AM


quote:
Originally posted by joz:

Oh and maybe humans were caught up in that bout of "hyperspeciation" after the flood, that sounds about ad hoc enough to make it into the YEC lexicon although as humans were involved it would have to become "hypervariation" (can't have humans speciating, it implys they evolve)....

Hmmm Interesting.
One of the YEC explanations about the results of radiometry is that during the Flood the nuclear reactions were in millions time more intensive, which caused the accelerated decay of the radioactive materials and thus created the appearance (misleading of course) of the billion years old Earth. It remains unclear what a role the intensive nuclear reactions were supposed to play in the Flood.
However if the nuclear reactions were indeed that intense during the Flood year, the radioactivity would certainly affect Noah and his family and cause multiple mutations in their descendants. It could be seen as a hmmm explanation for this "hypervariation" and the consecutive racial diversity (more likely of course it would just kill Noah and his family and all the animals).
However it steel remains unclear how those who had similar racial features managed to group together and settle in specific geographic regions.
[This message has been edited by Aryeh Shavit, 12-26-2002]

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Aryeh Shavit
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Message 9 of 47 (27994)
12-27-2002 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by peter borger
12-26-2002 7:39 PM


quote:
Originally posted by peter borger:
dear all,
Ever heard of MPG, NRM and GUToB?
best wishes,
Peter

No, never. Would you explain shortly?
Even better wishes.

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Aryeh Shavit
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Message 12 of 47 (28035)
12-28-2002 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by peter borger
12-27-2002 9:51 PM


Dear Peter,
quote:
Originally posted by peter borger:
Dear Aryen,
GUToB = grand unifying theory of biology. It holds that organism are able to adapt through a plastic multipurpose genome (MPG) by means of non-random mutations (NRM). Although random mutations are acknowledged they do not play a major role in 'evolution'.
Races are easy to explain with the GUToB. A recent example of the MPG in action and resulting in a distinct race of wallibies (even nominated as distinct species) is the intruiging history of the Brush-tailed Rock Wallaby on Hawai.
For more information on the MPG: http://EvC Forum: molecular genetic evidence for a multipurpose genome -->EvC Forum: molecular genetic evidence for a multipurpose genome
Best wishes,
Peter

Hmmm I don’t understand how it is related to the YEC case.
1) Does this new biological hypothesis suggest that significant racial changes can happen within a few thousands of years?
2) Is there any evidence it indeed so happened? This is to say all the races emerged (evolved) from some initial race of Adam and Eve (or may be Noah and his family).

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Aryeh Shavit
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Message 14 of 47 (28240)
01-01-2003 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by peter borger
01-01-2003 3:52 AM


Dear Peter,
I have an impression it is your own research, isn’t it? I wonder what its status is. Has it been reviewed by other biologists? Did they confirm your observations? If some of them don’t, what is the main argument against your evidence?
I would speculate that unless you understand the mechanism of the NRM you cannot conclude that it works for humans, can you.
Suppose however that the NRM has been observed, studied and the mechanism explained. I still will have doubts it took place with the humans in the past. If certain groups of humans suddenly underwent such mutations it would be remembered as the major events of their histories. They have legends telling: once we were white and then suddenly became black or once we were black and then suddenly became Mongoloids. It would be present in the legends and myths of all the peoples on the Earth.
Indeed, imagine a Viking tribe where women suddenly start giving birth to black children. Most likely the parents would simply kill the children, but even if not such an event would be most likely remembered forever.
However such legends and myths are not recorded.
[This message has been edited by Aryeh Shavit, 01-01-2003]

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