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Yaro Member (Idle past 6516 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
woo-hoo got 20!
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Larni Member (Idle past 184 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
9! Not good, but then I am a Brit
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DorfMan Member (Idle past 6101 days) Posts: 282 From: New York Joined: |
quote: I got twenty. Does that mean I'm British now?No, thank you. Love Yankhood!
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4919 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Very misleading....for example, the idea of separation of Church and State did not originate with France or the US. It is a very old term, popularized by the Anabaptists.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Heheheh... I got a 19, though one question I got right was because I knew what they wanted and it was wholly biased. Gotta totally agree with you on that. Biased enough that I think they were outright wrong on a few points; particularly, I'm fairly certain from reading Stephenson's Baroque Cycle that the concept of the seperation of church and state actually did originate in England with the Puritans. Maybe I'm wrong? I actually did lose a bunch of points because I consistently gave the Puritans more credit for religious tolerance than they did. I guess that's either bias on their part or an indication of how successful fundamentalist Christian revisionism has been on me.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4919 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Crash, the idea and term, separation of Church and State, actually was used as far back as the Donatists in the 4th century.
It was a major rallying cry of the Anabaptists, and the Quakers were perhaps one of the first people to codify it into law in Pennsylvania as well as the Baptists in Rhode Island. The idea that the term came from non-religious people, or secularists, is just wrong. Moreover, by the time of the Constitution, Protestantism as a whole had been moving towards Anabaptist theology in this area.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
The idea that the term came from non-religious people, or secularists, is just wrong.
And one I've never heard expressed, as well. It was historically (and maybe still?) far, far more important to members of minority religions, like Anabaptists or Catholics, depending on where they were, than to secular folks.
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Hal Jordan Inactive Member |
4: I answered B (All religions) because I have seen atheism described as a religion even though I do not believe it is...
8: I answered D (All of them) 9: I answered A (Everyone) I did not know about the Puritians and their desire to establish a Theocracy. 10: I answered C 17: I answered True, should have known better; Deists, Unitarians and Freethinkers. 20: I answered True, could have sworn I saw their hand on a bible...
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JustinC Member (Idle past 4864 days) Posts: 624 From: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Joined: |
19, but I probably guessed on about 6 of them.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Show me were in any of the constitution, or Decrlaration of Independence that we cannot use bilical principals, or anyother form of morals to make up who and what we are. It doesn't. You can, many do.
I am saying we have a right to believe whatever we want, wether it's atheist or God. One is not more valid than the other. That's fairly common knowledge I'd have thought. I don't see anybody disagreeing with that here.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4919 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Catholics?...you seem to be missing the origin of the term.
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Tusko Member (Idle past 121 days) Posts: 615 From: London, UK Joined: |
I got 15, but a lot of those were enlightened guesses. As other people have observed, it's pretty clear which way they want you to jump.
I was intrigued with the idea that us Brits might do better at this test - we aren't taught any of this stuff!
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
We aren't here in the US, either.
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5839 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
I'm fairly certain from reading Stephenson's Baroque Cycle that the concept of the seperation of church and state actually did originate in England with the Puritans. Randman is correct that it was the anabaptists and well outside england. This is where one of his earlier statements have proven correct, in that some groups appear to be trying to tie some concepts to nonreligious sources. That said you definitely picked out where the test was getting biased.
the Puritans more credit for religious tolerance than they did. If I remember right some of the puritans were absolute horrorshows. holmes "What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5839 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
The idea that the term came from non-religious people, or secularists, is just wrong. I wish you would stop using secular in place of atheist. It simply does not make sense, particularly in this subject. The anabaptists... as religious as they were... were secularists. Yes, if we are discussing something outside of gov't practices then secular would indicate a nonreligious item, but when discussing gov't practices it means only that gov't is nonreligious in the sense that gov't is about earthly matters alone, and church is for spiritual matters. It is not a "religious tenet", which is to say one must be religious, to believe in such a separation and there have been those outside religious communities which have promoted that idea. Neither must a person be atheist to believe in secularism IN GOVT. This test definitely scores you some points that history is getting poorly edited. What's ironic is that you don't seem to mind where the test is right and fundies are doing the editing. The founders were generally religious and secularism was a movement within religious communities, and the nation was founded on secularist principles which means it is not founded on a religion. holmes "What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)
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