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Menachem Inactive Member |
Where is your proof that there were females before males? There is no real evidence of this. I am talking about humans.
This message has been edited by Menachem, 02-01-2006 05:34 PM
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
Where is your proof that there were females before males?
Where is your proof that there were males before females? If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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Menachem Inactive Member |
Where is your proof that there were males before females? I asked you first! Just kidding. I go by the Hebrew account that says female humans were made after males unlike any other creature. This is what I believe - so until proven otherwise it remains my belief. We do agree though that there is no real evidence - apart from looking at other creatures.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Where is your proof that there were females before males? Well, she didn't say "before." What she said is that the default gender of human beings is female. And she's correct. When sex differentiation in the developing fetus is interrupted or disabled, the resulting human is female. When gonadal tissued develop absent a sex "command" from other parts of the developing fetus, they, on their own, develop female. Mutations on the Y chromosome that disable the SRY genes result in females. No mutation on any X chromosome causes maleness. As near as we can tell, the developing fetus proceeds down the "female" direction until the SRY genes send a signal to proceed towards maleness; if that signal never arrives - as a result of not having a Y chromosome, or having a defective SRY gene, or other happenstance - the resulting human is female.
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Menachem Inactive Member |
As near as we can tell, the developing fetus proceeds down the "female" direction until the SRY genes send a signal to proceed towards maleness; if that signal never arrives - as a result of not having a Y chromosome, or having a defective SRY gene, or other happenstance - the resulting human is female. As great as reproduction is, it doesn't answer the question of origin.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3927 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
actually. the first genesis story tells than men and women were created at the same time. and what makes us different from animals? why is our female different than a female anything else?
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Menachem Inactive Member |
the first genesis story tells than men and women were created at the same time This is not true. Do I have to tell you the real story?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I go by the Hebrew account that says female humans were made after males unlike any other creature. Actually, the Hebrew account is contradictory on that point. It also says that male and female were made at the same time, just like all the other animals. Genesis 1:23
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. It's only later on in the Bible, in a different (but likely earlier) story that the Hebrew God is depicted as a complete fool that is not even smart enough to know what a proper helpmeet is for the Man he made (like he didn't have examples from all the other critters) and tries to pawn off goats and oxen and lions and tigers and bears and ohmys as adequate. edited to fix subtitle This message has been edited by jar, 02-01-2006 05:34 PM Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
I go by the Hebrew account that says female humans were made after males unlike any other creature. This is what I believe - so until proven otherwise it remains my belief.
Thats just super. However we're in a science topic, so the Hebrew account amounts to jack squat. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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Menachem Inactive Member |
This is not the place for this so I wouldn't be surprised if the following is considered off topic.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. That is not what it says in the Hebrew!
27 And He will create elohim* et**-the human in his image. In the image of the elohim* He created him (the human). Male and female he created them (the elohim). * Elohim - gods - see Ezekiel, Psalms, Proverbs (just 3 examples). ** Let me explain 3 meanings of the word 'et' in Hebrew:1. The one that is being referred to. 2. Inside of... 3. With... All of these translations are true.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What??????????
That doesn't even make as much sense as the usual Creationist Idist tap dancing. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Menachem Inactive Member |
I don't expect you to understand it.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Well, since the verb following 'eholhim' in those cases are singular, you have the case of 'Elohim' being a singular with magnification of importance.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3927 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
that's very nice. he still created them at the same time.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
As great as reproduction is, it doesn't answer the question of origin. ...so, I take it your parents haven't sat you down for the "talk"?
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