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arachnophilia
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Message 211 of 300 (283513)
02-02-2006 6:22 PM
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02-02-2006 6:20 PM


Re: Interpretation by humans
I have understanding - not from humans - from the Elohim. Woh, the amount of times I wish I didn't know what I know. It is not easy to know, it seems much easier not knowing.
are you claiming to be navi?


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Menachem
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Message 212 of 300 (283518)
02-02-2006 6:39 PM
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02-02-2006 6:22 PM


Re: Interpretation by humans
are you claiming to be navi?
No. I am not a prophet.

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arachnophilia
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Message 213 of 300 (283519)
02-02-2006 6:45 PM
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02-02-2006 6:39 PM


Re: Interpretation by humans
No. I am not a prophet.
then how has god imparted a special understanding to you?


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NosyNed
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Message 214 of 300 (283520)
02-02-2006 6:47 PM
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02-02-2006 6:20 PM


Having understanding...
With such understanding you should be a valuable resource here.
However, we should also note that the idea that something not there is speaking to one is a sign of very serious mental illness too.
Since there are hints (but only hints so far) that your understanding of the real world is faulty I'm going to provisionally go with the later idea.

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Menachem
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Message 215 of 300 (283523)
02-02-2006 6:56 PM
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02-02-2006 6:47 PM


Re: Having understanding...
something not there is speaking to one is a sign of very serious mental illness too.
I don't blame you for thinking it is mental illness.

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Menachem
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Message 216 of 300 (283528)
02-02-2006 7:24 PM
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02-02-2006 6:45 PM


Re: Interpretation by humans
I am no better than any other person - no more important. I am just on the opposite side of the table for now.
Yirat Hashem - Love - Understanding - Forgiveness
These are the things the Elohim told me about (while I was awake and scared like you wouldn't believe).

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arachnophilia
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Message 217 of 300 (283529)
02-02-2006 7:26 PM
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02-02-2006 7:24 PM


Re: Interpretation by humans
perhaps you could describe in greater detail? start a thread about it, maybe.
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pianoprincess*
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Message 218 of 300 (283814)
02-04-2006 2:28 AM


There is no conflict between the TOE and Christianity, however if ID were proven it would then mean that there is no GOD
There are massive contradictions. =)
and I don't get the second half....????

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Message 219 of 300 (283848)
02-04-2006 9:47 AM
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02-04-2006 2:28 AM


Use the REPLY button
Please use the REPLY button when replying to a message.
You can find the REPLY button at the bottom right of the message to which you are responding.
In this case, you were apparently replying to Message 173. I had to do some searching to find that. If you had used the REPLY button (instead of GEN REPLY), then there would have been a small notation in your message indicating what you were replying to.


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jar
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Message 220 of 300 (283867)
02-04-2006 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 218 by pianoprincess*
02-04-2006 2:28 AM


Let's look.
Did you go to the link I provided in that message and read what was presented?
I provided you a link to an open letter signed by more than 10,000 US Christian Clergy that accept the TOE as the best possible explanation of how life evolved. In the letter they say...
We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.
Let me repeat. "To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.'
If someoine is trying to get you to reject the TOE, they are trying to keep you in ignorance.
I'll try again to explain the second part.
jar writes:
...however if ID were proven it would then mean that there is no GOD
For ID is ever proven it will bring the designer into the world of natural beings. The designer will no longer be a GOD, but rather just another of the natural forces.
It will also mean an end to science and creativity. If at anytime, some super designer can step in and change the rules, we can no longer rely on any outcome. The world becomes one of chaos and chance, will ID let this happen or will she step in this time and change the outcome?
No, there are several things we can know for sure.
Young Earth Creationism is simply wrong. It has been falsified. Anyone that still believes in YEC does so through willfull ignorance.
If ID is true beyond the very simplest point (the initial creation of the rules for example) then it must stand for Inept Design.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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inkorrekt
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Message 221 of 300 (284240)
02-05-2006 7:10 PM
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09-21-2005 1:23 AM


No creator, but science
I am willing to answer your questions outside Bible or God. My answers will be based only on Science.When I discuss ID, I discuss only Science without God or Bible. What is your question please?

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Message 222 of 300 (284251)
02-05-2006 7:34 PM
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02-05-2006 7:10 PM


Re: No creator, but science
For starters, what is the scientific basis for ID?

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inkorrekt
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Message 223 of 300 (284386)
02-06-2006 12:04 PM
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02-05-2006 7:34 PM


Re: No creator, but science
Intelligent Design. If you can understand intelligence and Design, then you have the answer. IN simple words, whatever cannot self assemble or self synthesize is the work of an intelligent designer.I know very little about computers, but I use them a lot. But, Steve Jobs is lot more intelligent than me. Because, he DESIGNED the first apple computer.
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jar
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Message 224 of 300 (284387)
02-06-2006 12:09 PM
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02-06-2006 12:04 PM


Obviously
you never used the early Apple Computers.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Chiroptera
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Message 225 of 300 (284388)
02-06-2006 12:12 PM
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02-06-2006 12:04 PM


Re: No creator, but science
quote:
IN simple words, whatever cannot self assemble or self synthesize is the work of an intelligent designer.
Can this be demonstrated?

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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