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Author Topic:   Is the concept of The Fall reasonable?
lfen
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Message 301 of 304 (290897)
02-27-2006 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by Faith
02-27-2006 1:36 PM


Re: As usual, the case HAS been made -- but ignored
7) The Fall however, which explains it through the sin of human beings acting in free will, accounts for it well, and exonerates God.
This is the point on which the dispute hangs. If one accepts this point it does for that individual exonerate God from the previous charges.
Free will seems to be a device to shift blame from God to Adam and Eve.
Adam and Eve are responsible not God.
But I among other remain unconvinced. You among other are convinced.
Would responsible human parents leave children alone with say a loaded pistol?
I find no evidence except the Genesis story that there was ever an Adam or Garden of Eden. But let's say there was. My question; was God a responsible parent in leaving Adam unsupervised around such a dangerous tree?
I work with children and supervision is a very important aspect of rearing children. If anything the story of the Fall shows Jehovah to have been a negligent parent and not very skillful or aware of his responsibilities. In that story I find Jehovah guilty of irresponsible parenting to wit failing to adequately supervise his charges.
lfen

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Faith 
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Message 302 of 304 (290898)
02-27-2006 1:52 PM
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02-27-2006 1:49 PM


As usual your argument fails
Just denial.
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Message 303 of 304 (290899)
02-27-2006 1:54 PM
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02-27-2006 1:52 PM


Re: As usual, the case HAS been made -- but ignored
I don't believe that this thread needs to answer all that. The Fall makes perfect sense based on the premises listed, and its reasonableness has therefore been proved. Nobody is required to convince you or anybody else, but the point has been made -- formally speaking, which is all that can be asked of a debate.
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Message 304 of 304 (290900)
02-27-2006 1:56 PM
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02-27-2006 1:54 PM


Re: As usual, the case HAS been made -- humans lose
God wins this one...He told me that it was witching hour...time to shut er down!

Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

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