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Author Topic:   Is it intelligent to design evolvable species?
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Message 73 of 96 (284319)
02-06-2006 6:39 AM
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02-05-2006 7:55 PM


Why? Why not design non evolvable things? What is the rationale?
The OP gives a rationale, so its probably a good idea to start there.
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Surely, an intelligent designer would be able to design lineages of animals, plants, bacteria etc. that responds to changes in the environment, so that the intelligent designer don't have to say "Duh! The giraffes [or insert other intelligently designed creature of your choice here] went extinct because of a 1 degree temperature rise again! Oh well, back to the drawing board."

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Message 78 of 96 (284423)
02-06-2006 3:10 PM
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02-06-2006 11:54 AM


Re: What is the rationale?
My only question is does it take more intelligence or less intelligence to design NON EVOLVABLE things.
What is the advantage of designing only evolvable things compared to non evolvables?
That's two questions. The rationale for designing evolvable things is:
an intelligent designer would be able to design lineages of animals, plants, bacteria etc. that responds to changes in the environment, so that the intelligent designer don't have to say "Duh! The giraffes [or insert other intelligently designed creature of your choice here] went extinct because of a 1 degree temperature rise again! Oh well, back to the drawing board."
Which requires more intelligence? I don't think the question has an answer.

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Message 80 of 96 (285362)
02-09-2006 10:41 PM
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02-09-2006 10:32 PM


Re: What is the rationale?
Answer is simple. I do not want to use the word, CREATION though it conveys more meaning. I will only use the word INVENTION. For any invention of evolvable or non evolvable, it always requires intelligence.
I don't think that's on-topic here, though I'd be happy to explore it elsewhere. The point being made is that an intelligent designer would have designed life to be adaptable, to evolve. Not designing life this way would not seem to be intelligent.

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Message 83 of 96 (285891)
02-11-2006 7:03 PM
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02-11-2006 6:47 PM


Re: What is the rationale?
Why should it be adaptable? Is it because, it fits in the theory of Evolution?
Well no, that wouldn't make sense. If it wasn't adaptable, then a basic environment change would lead to massive, global killing, extinctions.

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Message 87 of 96 (285978)
02-12-2006 3:32 PM
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02-12-2006 3:27 PM


intelligently designing evolution
an intelligent designer would be able to design lineages of animals, plants, bacteria etc. that responds to changes in the environment,
Exactly, they should be able to respond to changes in the environment. Populations do this through a process called evolution.
Why are we looking at lineage? Why cannot we design only one species? Is it because we want to prove Evolutionary scale?
I don't understand. The designer may well have designed one species (and designed it to be evolvable into the many we see today). Is that what you are saying?
Adaptation to the environment has been beautifully observed through the ecological balance. Each species is dependent on the other one. The entire animal kingdom is an example of adaptation. Such a complex process could not have evolved. They all ought to have occured at once.
Fine, evolution could not have evolved. Are you saying that evolution was designed? That's basically is the topic of this thread.
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Message 92 of 96 (292611)
03-06-2006 7:00 AM
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03-05-2006 11:28 PM


Re: intelligently designing evolution
"The Designer May Have". Why cannot some one come and say with real proof that this is how it happened?
Because there is no evidence that a Designer did anything. However, if you quote the entire section of what I was saying, it will be plain that I was trying to clarify your position, not put one forwards myself...
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I don't understand. The designer may well have designed one species (and designed it to be evolvable into the many we see today). Is that what you are saying?
The thing that I didn't understand, and was looking for clarification on was:
inkorrekt writes:
Why are we looking at lineage? Why cannot we design only one species? Is it because we want to prove Evolutionary scale?
So...could you shed some light on what it is you were trying to say?

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