Dr. Robert T. Bakker's thoughts on ID and Atheism in schools.

Isn't that pretty much what Darwin did? But you can only go so far with the data. After you have a body of data, you need to develop some sort of theory that encompasses the available data. Otherwise all you have is a mess of statistics. On the contrary, it matches very well. What it does not match, is your expectations of what the fossil record should be.My point is that the fossils fit into the ToE account. You may think that there are missing fossils, but missing fossils are not part of the fossil record. I think it reasonable to ask why the fossil record does not show the gradualism that the neo-Darwinist account would seem to predict. Indeed, Gould and Eldredge asked that question, and came up with PE.For the record, I think there are problems with neo-Darwinism, but I don't see problems with the broader ToE (assuming one allows PE as an alternative to neo-Darwinism). And I don't see any need for new biological mechanisms, nor for ID.

If you are checking this thread out. I hope to see you more around the net. I don't know if you remember me I was the site administrator of the Texas Evolution Debate.

and if you're checking this thread, your new site doesn't work with Firefox. If you want I can provide you with screendumps to help fix the problems.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

We athiests can provide provide evidence that strongly supports evolution and the fact that the earth is 4.6 billion years old.
We are a sister planet to the moon etc.
I'm sure that everyone here that believes in evolution has seen evidence posted SOOO many times on here yet I continue to see creationists come up with some crazy new reason that it isn't fact.I'll give you some hard facts,
Theory of special relativity, We know the speed of light is 186,000 miles per second. It's been tested and verified with experiements down to within like a few miles per second.riddle me this, distant galaxies are obviously millions of light years away, yet we can see their light... how then were we only created 6000 years ago.obviously there is flaw, I could go on for ever but I won't, I'll just get down to the hard truths.Evolution is fact, it will continue to be show time and time again, in the coming months and the coming years.
Your children will realize this because they will see it with an open mind. There is nothing creationists can do about it. We have become smarter as a human race and we will no longer let the wool be pulled over our eyes with lack of understanding or control.Scientiests know evolution is fact and its positively astounding that people still cling to their precious beliefs.I find it appalling that we are so technologically advanced now and have lept forward so incredibly much in the last 30 years, and yet people still cling to a 2000 year old belief system.let it die, lets evolve to a new level, the information age.I see religion this way, its like god is the teacher and we the people of earth were in first grade. perhaps hinduism was second grade and budaism was third grade etc. However, we have graduated to a new level, one with planes and rockets and nuclear physics, and computers.Everyone who is religious, please don't let me stop you, and by all means teach religious in morality class or whatever, JUST NOT IN SCIENCE. I'ts absolutely rediculous to think that we all decended from adam and eve blah blah blah. I mean ever heard of inbreeding?It's obviously a gross over simplification that is meant symbolically to guide us in a very early coming of age as a species.Case closed. Evolution is real and fact and those that are religious should do some real research on their own.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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We athiests can provide provide evidence that strongly supports evolution and the fact that the earth is 4.6 billion years old.

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Yes, we atheists can. So can those Christians. In fact, the evidence that the earth is 4.6 billion years old and that evolution describes the history of life on earth is independent of the beliefs held by the person. That is why so many Christians accept the theory of evolution.

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"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)