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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5751 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
What an arrogant, condescending and insulting thing to say. I was actually feeling pity for the person, and you come in and say that was insulting? Please... "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I was actually feeling pity for the person, and you come in and say that was insulting? Please... pity is very often insulting. contrast with compassion.
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5751 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
In other words you don't have a clue. No, in other words, there is no specific barrier mechanism which controls it. The preset genetic code is the thing that won't allow.
Not quite. The genes that are assembled contain the code for making the organism that will be -- including any mutations that have occurred, either in the genes of the parents that are included, or in the process of DNA replication and assembly. Some of these will be neutral mistakes that won't affect the growth of the new organism, some will be deadly and cause a new organism to die before it matures, and some will have some minor benefit to the individual in the environment it will live in. It will have evolved from it's parents. All species are in transition this way. Yes, the code of the offspring is combined during meiosis, but where did the code come from? THE PARENTS! So if parents didn't have limbs, offspring isn't going to have them or start evolving them either, even if you gave it a million mutations and a million generations. Not going to happen.
Once more, your repeated assertion is NOT evidence of any such restriction on the evolution of organisms. This is still just more of the same argument from incredulity and ignorance. Any time a section of genetic code is copied there can be mistakes, some of those mistakes include duplicating areas of code so that the recipient has two (or more) copies -- one that it then uses for normal growth and one that can evolve to different features. There is nothing to prevent this kind of change in species over time from happening. Do you know what is special about the hoof of a horse that cannot be explained just by the fusing of foot bones into a single toe supporting shank? You may get a duplication. But of what? OF PREVIOUSLY EXISTING CODE! Duplications do NOT create new code that the organism didn't previously have! What about the horse hoof? I don't believe it fused during evolution at all, I believe it was created the way it was. "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Belfry Member (Idle past 5085 days) Posts: 177 From: Ocala, FL Joined: |
SWC writes:
Yes, rather. And your comment in Message 60 was even worse.
I was actually feeling pity for the person, and you come in and say that was insulting? Please...
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
...instead of standing tall for the truth? The way you do by insulting others, and posting misrepresentations of the truth on your website? At least he is honest in his belief eh? Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5751 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
That's what meiosis is? The combination of genetic code from parents to form the code of the offspring? Are you sure? Meiosis? Hmmm... No, but it starts from meiosis. Meiosis divides the chromosome number in half. Then the combination takes place. Sorry for any confusion, I thought it's quite obvious. "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I was actually feeling pity for the person ... No, you were feeling superior, therefore you could "pity" him. That is where the arrogance comes in. And yes it was insulting. You think you have a better understanding? And btw this is now insult #3 you have issued -- you think he needs to be pitied? Please. Edited by RAZD, : another insult. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5751 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
there was a member a while back, a really nutter, who kept going on about moses's cd-rom collection. he was using strong's concordance to find alternate renderings of certain words in the bible, and derive some higher meaning (about cd-roms) from them. so i began using his methods against him. at one point, i was "translating" his own posts against him. it was actually quite entertaining. so, yes, you can do it. i have. I'm sure you weren't blindfolded and unconscience when you were doing it...
whoa whoa. wait a second, engage the brain a little. if i have the following string of numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and i duplicate one number: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8 and then i modify one number: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 tada, new data. Who or what allowed you to modify the 8 into a 9? "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5751 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
Yes, rather. And your comment in Message 60 was even worse. That was a different post. And I wasn't referring to any specific person, I was referring to a group. "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5751 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
The way you do by insulting others, and posting misrepresentations of the truth on your website? At least he is honest in his belief eh? Enjoy. Would you be willing to point out the "misrepresentations"? Please do. "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I'm sure you weren't blindfolded and unconscience when you were doing it... i could just as easily have picked words at random out of a thesaurus, and selected the variations i thought were favorable.
Who or what allowed you to modify the 8 into a 9? simple variation, which you agreed happens. i kept it "within it's kind" too: single digits.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
No, in other words, there is no specific barrier mechanism which controls it. So there is nothing that prevents it.
but where did the code come from? THE PARENTS! And when the code of the offspring is different from the code of either parent where did that come from? The parents with mutation. Thus there is no barrier to the code changing over time from generation to generation.
But of what? OF PREVIOUSLY EXISTING CODE! Duplications do NOT create new code that the organism didn't previously have! I've written lots of computer code where previous code was copied and one or two modifications were made to arrive at a different result. Mutations change the code. It's that simple, it's that basic, it's that undeniable.
What about the horse hoof? I don't believe it fused during evolution at all, I believe it was created the way it was. But that is change in species over time, change within "kind" if you will for they were horses before they had only one hoof. And once again -- your OPINION has no effect on the reality around you. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5751 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
No, you were feeling superior, therefore you could "pity" him. That is where the arrogance comes in. And yes it was insulting. You think you have a better understanding? And btw this is now insult #3 you have issued -- you think he needs to be pitied? Please. I have plenty of reason to believe that evolution is false, there is proof for this, check out my essay I spoke of. I feel sorry for those people who are already believing in Creation, they are on the right track, but then, they believe in evolution, which is a lie. I wish that they would drop evolution and fully believe in Creation, they are already almost there. That's the sad part, they are this close to the truth, but don't cross over to it. I feel the same about people who were Creationists, but then they turned to evolution. They had the truth, but then they lost it... "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5751 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
i could just as easily have picked words at random out of a thesaurus, and selected the variations i thought were favorable. But you, are an intelligent being. You are conscience and smart when you do that. But evolution is supposed to be unguided, and random, without direction...
simple variation, which you agreed happens. i kept it "within it's kind" too: single digits. But the 9 never existed before, where did you get it from? "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I've noted one on the other thread that renders your essay unreliable as any kind of evidence. Deal with it. I see no reason to tie up this thread with your mistakes on another site.
I also have some other stuff for you to deal with thereEvC Forum: Evolution Logic Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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