Sources on Bush for Andya and Schraf

I promised some sources on my claims about the Bushes. I first posted them back in the thread where I made that promise, but realized people might not realize to keep checking there. So here they are.Let me start by saying I couldn't find the original sources where I had read everything the first time around, but it didn't take long to find these new ones and with some caveats they'll do just fine.Clearly some of this must be read keeping in mind where the article is coming from. I'm not an idiot and can see when an article is slanted or trying to build up a conspiracy theory. Some of these articles contain such problems.That said, they contain enough bits of truth that are recognizable as such and should lead you to more sources on whatever particular topic you are interested in.These are the FACTS which should become obvious.:1)Daddy Bush had connections with, and helped build up, many of the foes the US later "had to face."2)Junior and Daddy had connections to the BinLadens through oil, construction, and defense deals despite continued money ties to Osama and other terrorist groups. I had not realized their defense connection until reading these--- I mistakenly thought Carlyle was oil--- and this makes everything even worse. I will admit the oil connections seem less than 100% certain (or dubious) than I had thought earlier, but those defense ties... yikes.3)Before 9-11, Junior helped squash federal investigations into terrorist connections of the BinLadens (Osama and more).4)After 9-11, Junior had the BinLadens protected and shipped out of the US, unlike 1000's of other foreign nationals with less ties to terrorists than the BinLadens. And he did it for THEIR protection nonetheless. Thanks, Dubya. Let's us really know where his priorities were.5)The Bush and BinLaden family accounts have not been closed, nor investigated, on the word of the BinLadens that they have totally disowned Osama. Okayyyyyy, well how about the money they send to other terrorist groups or their support to "martyrs" and their families. Such things like that get other people and organizations shut down or at least investigated. Remember Saudi Arabia even had a telethon in support of "martyrs" after 9-11, no BinLadens contributed?Check the following links, and by all means do more searches. The facts really are pretty easy to find.Page not found - SF Weekly
[Raises questions about saudi-Bush business connections, but clearly affirms that the Binladen family was allowed to flee.]Page Not Found - The Texas Observer
[More detailed account of Junior's activity with the BinLaden's in Oil (though sketchy)through Arbusto,plus defense contracts and more (much clearer) through the Carlyle group.]Cloudflare Captcha Page | Web.com
[Daddy and Junior's connections to the BinLaden's through Carlyle group.] Page Not Found: 404 Not Found -
[Evacuation of BinLaden family from the US (spun in a positive way, and contradicts Moore's version of it being done while other flights were grounded... but uhmmmm, did we let any other family's out of the US after those attacks? Why didn't we put them under the same "protection" poorer arab people had to face?)]americanfreepress
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{Fixed link, which was lost in copy/paste from source - AM}
[A bit of paranoia mongering for sure, but some facts within relating to Bush-Saudi Oil dealings(Arbusto/Harken).]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm
FBI claims Bin Laden inquiry was frustrated | World news | The Guardian
[Very good pieces detailing the suspicions and some factual statements regarding everything I had written, plus the Bush squashing of investigations on the BinLaden's BEFORE 9-11, and having to reverse that policy afterward (too late once the BinLadens were whisked out of the US).] George W. Bush And Harken Oil - Recovered History | Scoop News
[Kind of a timeline on the oil deals with Saudis.]http://knowthetruth.b0x.com/...h-Binladen/bush-binladen.html
[Obviously some slant comes with this, but the facts are still there.]http://www.buzzflash.com/...ibutors/2002/05/08_Bush_Oil.html
[Additional paranoia... I have no idea how much of this is true or not (Enron-Bush-Ridge-oil-Afghanistan), but I hope it's not. Someone please tell me things aren't this bad.]TBR News » Page not found
[More detailed description of timeline involving Harken-Arbusto-Carlyle connections.]http://prorev.com/bush2.htm
[Great recap piece. Timeline of the Bushes in action. There is A LOT of paranoid throwaway bits (connecting Bush to the JFK assassination? come on), but the good stuff is gold. With Bonus bits on Junior's brother's involvement in the S&L fiasco (forget about that part? It's all public record).]holmes[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 02-10-2003]

I point out a commentary in the current (Feb. 2003) Z Magazine"Not All White House Reporters Are Pushovers"
Available at: http://zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&Item...Also note (from the above):

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You can find transcripts of Mokhiber's many exchanges with Fleischer posted at www.commondreams.org -- under the heading "Ari and I" -- examples of unflinching questions and slimy evasions at the White House.

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Actually, the above doesn't get you there very well. Here's the direct link to the index page of the exchanges:
http://www.commondreams.org/ari.htmMoose

priceless

I think that government information dissemination tends to have far too much in common with commercial advertisements. Too much BS trying to sell you something you don't want and don't need. Or trying to lay an overpriced and/or flawed product on you.There's what I call "Budweiser Principle" - Massive advertising to sell massive amounts of crumby beer. They have to set the price to cover the costs - and I strongly suspect that the costs are about 5 percent that of production and distribution, and 95 percent that of advertising.But I digress from the topic - sorry.Moose

It is interesting.A few months ago, my wife took the kids to visit relatives - I was working so I couldn't go. Being bored, I rented a bunch of movies that I had always wanted to see but never had - among them was "All the President's Men."If you've seen the movie, you will know that actual footage was used in the 'background' - televisions in the background showed actual footage, that is.In one scene, a TV is on in the background, shortly after the first stories had broken. In one scene, you can hear Nixon's press secretary making indignant, righteous denials of any and all accusations. The "categorical" denials, the "how can you even ask that" sort of thing.What struck me was the fact that I had just recently heard old Ari make a nearly identical denial for Shrub.I cannot remember what gaffe Ari was denying Bush's culpability in - it may have been involvement in the Florida election fiasco, I just cannot remember.But what really made me think was the similarity in the words. Utter, unwavering denial.And, of course, Nixon was guilty as sin.My take home message was that these Washington sycophants will always deny, deny, deny.Therefore, I have little reason to believe a word of it when we hear denails of wrong-doing by admin officials...