Lebanon In End Time Bible Prophecy

When I see one of these posts form Buzsaw I expect him to misrepresent the Bible and it is no surprise that he has done it again.1) A minor point here, Zechariah 10 refers to the return of the Lost Tribes. So we cannot say that it is being fulfilled.2) Ezekiel 17 does NOT mention the destruction of a cedar by an eagle Plucking off the "topmost twigs" is not destroying a full-grown tree by any stretch of the imagination. And read on to see what happens to the twigs.3) Isaiah 10 is about liberation from the Assyrians So it is about days long gone, and not about modern times at all.4) Isaiah 29 doesn't give any real details that can be linked to the current situation - and seems to be predicting the immediate future: The present day canot be reasonably considered to be only a "little while" after the writing of Isaiah 29So to answer the first 3 questions:1) The Lost Tribes have not returned, Ezekiel 17 has been completely misrepresented and the two Isaiah references refer to things that must be long past. Accordingly we cannot reliably say that ANY of these prophecies are being fulfilled in the present day.2) Equally these prophecies cannot be said to indicate that the Bible is especially reliable historically or in any way supernatural. Why should we be surprised that the Bible mentions a neighbouring kingdom - which existed at the time that the relevant verses were written ?3) Current Lebanon cannot be said to be a factor in any of these prophecies. The only one that could refer to a future event is the first (ruling out the second on the grounds that it completely misrepresents the text) and we have no way of knowing if it will ever be fulfilled.

Ephraim is one of the two "half-tribes" (Ephraim and Manessah) and in this context is a reference to the "Lost Tribes". (The Tribes of Israel exiled by the Assyrians).Thus the prophecy cannot be fulfilled until the Lost Tribes return..

According to the Wikipedia article at Beta Israel - Wikipedia there is an idea that they are Danites who left before the Assyrian forced migration. Even if this is true (and the genetic evidence apparently suggests that they are native Ethiopians), it is not even a partial return of those sent into exile by the Assyrians..

This really doesn't deal with the point, that the exiles (or rather their dedcendants) have to return for the prophecy to be fulfilled. And so far as we can tell they are hopelessly lost, absorbed into other populations. Indeed it could be said that they no longer exist since all that appears to remain is distant descendants who have no special knowledge or attachment to their remote heritage.e

I know that you keep claiming that there have been major developments in the last 60 years, but there really haven't been a lot. The establishment of Isreal as a democratic state - and not a monarchy - is about it, and there is a lot more that needs to happen.Zechariah 10 specifically refers to the returning of the Lost Tribes from many places - and Assyria is named. This it cannot be fulfilled until that happens.Indeed, verse 9 seems to assume that the exiles will remian faithful to their Hebrew origins: o

Your list has a distinct lack of substance. None of it is specific enough to back up your claims. And as I have pointed out in the past there is good evidence to the contrary.Back to Zechariah 10If you seriously want to argue that "Ephraim" is a reference to the half-tribe of Ephraim alone and not to the Lost Tribes as a whole, go ahead. It doesn't help you because Ephraim is one of the Lost Tribes and the only possible candidates produced so far are allegedly from the Tribe of Dan.

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No. All it says is that they will 1. remember their god, Jehovah...

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You just managed to contradict yourself. Thee problem is that they DON'T remember Yahweh (and they certainly can't remember a poor attempt at a German transliteration of His name !)

But Judah being back isn't enough to fulfil the prophecy. And there is no evidence that the Lost Tribes will really be restored. Sp we can't say that the prophecy has been or even will be fulfilled.

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1. I did not contradict myself. I said they will remember their god, Jehovah. Many of them (the orthodox) do now and when the messiah returns all the remnant that survives the tribulation will remember him.

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But you did. Your statement can also be read as indicating that they will not forget, which is rather a mistake when you are trying to deny that reading. But Zechariah 10:9 goes further: It starts with the scattering - there is no suggestion that they shall forget and suddenly remember. Rather it suggests that they will continue to follow the Hebrew religion from the time that they are scattered until the time of return. Naturally you need to rejec that reading becuae it cannot happen, but that does not change the text. The Bible says what it says - no matter how much you might wish otherwise.And it is talking about the Lost Tribes, not the Orthodox Jews (Zechariah 10:7). Try reading the verse in context before making assumptions about what it says.

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2. Jehovah is the nearest modern English equivalent of YHWH as recognized by nearly all the linguist translators of the Hebrew to English in most of the versions of the Bible. If I were to move to Israel, I'd likely use the Hebrew word, but I'm not.

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No it isn't. Yahweh is the best guess (and we have to guess because nobody knows what the vowels were). Jehovah isn't even an attempt at an English transliteration - it's an early attempt at a German transliteration. That is the reason it starts with "J" instead of "Y"."Jehovah" is a mistake that found its way into common use.t

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Judah being back is fulfilling the prophecies, many of them. How many times do I need to remind you that the prophecies are being fulfilled

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The wise thing would be to say nothing at all until you can come up with something worthwhile. The truth is not a matter of how often you say something.

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Then there's all the other corroborating prophecies either already fulfilled or being fulfilled on track. Imo, unbelievers have no excuse for being unbelievers.

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Then there's the failures and your misrepresentations. For instance there's your misrepresentation of Ezekiel 17 at the start of this thread. Believers might refuse to admit the failues of prophecy, but they have ample reason to reject your distortions. You are the one who needs an excuse. Even your own beliefs - or those you claim to follow - don't condone misrepresenting the Bible as you have done.y

At Buzsaw's request I have bumped this thread - the first still open Bible prophecy thread that I have found where we were involved.Since none of the points in my first post to this thread (Message 3) were effectively answered, here it is again. Note especially the point about Ezekiel 17 as an example of where reading the Bible trumps Buzsaw's boasted "60 years of study":

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When I see one of these posts form Buzsaw I expect him to misrepresent the Bible and it is no surprise that he has done it again.

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1) A minor point here, Zechariah 10 refers to the return of the Lost Tribes. So we cannot say that it is being fulfilled.

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2) Ezekiel 17 does NOT mention the destruction of a cedar by an eagle

3 saying, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "A great eagle with great wings, long pinions and a full plumage of many colors came to Lebanon and took away the top of the cedar.

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4 "He plucked off the topmost of its young twigs and brought it to a land of merchants; he set it in a city of traders.

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Plucking off the "topmost twigs" is not destroying a full-grown tree by any stretch of the imagination. And read on to see what happens to the twigs.

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3) Isaiah 10 is about liberation from the Assyrians

12 So it will be that when the Lord has completed all His work on Mount Zion and on Jerusalem, He will say, "I will punish the fruit of the arrogant heart of the king of Assyria and the pomp of his haughtiness."

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24 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD of hosts, "O My people who dwell in Zion, do not fear the Assyrian who strikes you with the rod and lifts up his staff against you, the way Egypt did.

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25"For in a very little while My indignation against you will be spent and My anger will be directed to their destruction."

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So it is about days long gone, and not about modern times at all.

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4) Isaiah 29 doesn't give any real details that can be linked to the current situation - and seems to be predicting the immediate future:

17 Is it not yet just a little while
Before Lebanon will be turned into a fertile field,
And the fertile field will be considered as a forest?

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The present day canot be reasonably considered to be only a "little while" after the writing of Isaiah 29

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So to answer the first 3 questions:

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1) The Lost Tribes have not returned, Ezekiel 17 has been completely misrepresented and the two Isaiah references refer to things that must be long past. Accordingly we cannot reliably say that ANY of these prophecies are being fulfilled in the present day.

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2) Equally these prophecies cannot be said to indicate that the Bible is especially reliable historically or in any way supernatural. Why should we be surprised that the Bible mentions a neighbouring kingdom - which existed at the time that the relevant verses were written ?

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3) Current Lebanon cannot be said to be a factor in any of these prophecies. The only one that could refer to a future event is the first (ruling out the second on the grounds that it completely misrepresents the text) and we have no way of knowing if it will ever be fulfilled.

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The issue of biblical prophetic writings was not to suit a particular generation's wish list.

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The only thing that might be considered a "wish list" is the prophecy itself. So you are presumably saying that the prophesied events aren't meant to happen.The rest has even less to do with the point.

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What I said was, whether one subscribes to prophesy or not, certain predictions were made, in evidenced writings, and its fruition occured - in a non-confusing, open manifestation, and which equivalence has not been encountered or heard of elsewhere. I gave an example.

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No, you didn't. You haven't given a real reference to this claimed prediction and a significant portion of Isaiah was written AFTER this dispersal.

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Phophetic verses are not simple writings to deciphere, and usually its true import is lost by the uninitiated. This is what I meant by not according to everyone's wish list. T

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That's not a problem for me. I haven't relied on anything that is difficult to interpret. If you object to Buz's interpretations you should reply to HIM and explain that.