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Faith 
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Message 46 of 59 (340138)
08-15-2006 12:48 AM
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08-14-2006 10:46 PM


Re: Work quality
I wonder how unusual the skill is actually. Maybe a lot of unhyped examples.
That kind of skill can be developed with training and she says her family is all artistic so I'm sure she got some training. But for a child to develop it on her own to that degree at that age would be very unusual.
It doesn't make it as art, I agree.
I have to guess the people willing to spend that kind of money are infatuated with her religiosity and the story of her religious experience at the age of 4.

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Message 47 of 59 (340144)
08-15-2006 1:29 AM
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08-15-2006 12:48 AM


Not Unique
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That kind of skill can be developed with training and she says her family is all artistic so I'm sure she got some training. But for a child to develop it on her own to that degree at that age would be very unusual.
Unusual, but not unique.
Mozart anyone?

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Message 48 of 59 (340147)
08-15-2006 1:38 AM


It could be that her art sells for what it does in the anticipation that some day she'll be famous and her early works will be worth a fortune.

  
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Message 49 of 59 (340155)
08-15-2006 4:44 AM
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08-14-2006 3:51 PM


Of course it is: it is the ordinary kind of thing for a kid to do. Xianity is world wide and to suggest that the child had no idea of heaven or any other concept on the world stage is inapproriate.
The fact that her family 'converted' so quickly suggest that there may be a familial tendency to believe any nonsense that catches thier eye.
Coupled with the obvious attraction of being able to sell some of her 'wares' in the future I see no reason to attribute ant divine connection.
What is it that prevents us from seeing the child as a very talented young person who uses xian imagery as her form of expression?

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Message 50 of 59 (340157)
08-15-2006 5:26 AM


She's technically brilliant for her age, and I hope as she matures she'll move away from using her talent to make cheesy, cliched christmas-card images...
I don't mean this in a cruel way, but I think she'd make better art if she took her imagination to hell, so to speak...

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Message 51 of 59 (340166)
08-15-2006 8:54 AM
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rickjb writes:
I don't mean this in a cruel way, but I think she'd make better art if she took her imagination to hell, so to speak...
like Boris vallejo?
Edited by randy feagley, : No reason given.
Edited by randy feagley, : db code

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and one evil, ignorance.
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Message 52 of 59 (340190)
08-15-2006 9:34 AM


I actually like her earlier more impressionistic work from before the age of 7 much better than her later, more technically proficient portraits.
The earlier stuff conveys much more emotion in me. The later stuff is more cheesy, frankly; sappy and saccherine.

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Message 53 of 59 (340202)
08-15-2006 9:57 AM
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08-15-2006 9:34 AM


I agree
I thought she showed a little more promise earlier as a painter, but people go through phases and she's making a ton of money it seems. So good for her. I just hope as she grows older, she explores the more emotional side of painting a little more, but she may just go into installations or some such.

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Message 54 of 59 (340291)
08-15-2006 1:06 PM
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08-15-2006 9:57 AM


Re: I agree
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I thought she showed a little more promise earlier as a painter, but people go through phases and she's making a ton of money it seems.
It's called "selling out" - all too often a waste of a God-given (or otherwise-obtained) talent.

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Message 55 of 59 (340302)
08-15-2006 1:21 PM
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Re: I agree
It may not be selling out and I doubt it is for her. Children place a bigger emphasis on realism than most other people, in assessing their own art.

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Message 56 of 59 (340315)
08-15-2006 1:44 PM
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08-15-2006 1:21 PM


Re: I agree
randman writes:
It may not be selling out and I doubt it is for her.
I wouldn't suggest that a child is even capable of selling out on her own volition. I suggest that her parents have steered her in a commercial direction.
By doing so, they may have robbed the world of a great talent.
You cannot serve both God and mammon. Unfortunately, it seems likely that this poor little girl is being used to serve mammon disguised as God.

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Message 57 of 59 (340327)
08-15-2006 2:40 PM
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08-14-2006 4:34 PM


Re: Sure
Do you have some reason for not believing this?
Probably too many to go into here, but here's three for starters.
1. She visited a make believe land.
2. Her pictures of Christ are classic stereotypical western iconographic tat.
3. She lives in America, if anyone is going to swallow religious claptrap it would be American Christians (not all).
The pictures of Christ are no different than many images she would have seen on xmas cards or store displays.
I am sure if it was a Muslim girl you would be delighted that she had visited heaven and then painted some exquisite pictures of Muhammad. But that would probably have been demons influencing her wouldn't it.
I have no reason to believe that the child visited a place that we have no evidence of its existence.
When I was small I used to frequently go into my attic and shout on King Kong to come and take me to Dracula's Castle, where I played games with Frankenstein's monster, Dracula, the werewolf and the mummy (who was particularly crap at playing tig). (This is true and I remember the experiences very vividly)
Does this mean I really went there, or was it my imagination?
Brian.
Edited by Brian, : changed a 'two' to a 'three'

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Message 58 of 59 (340354)
08-15-2006 5:35 PM
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08-15-2006 2:40 PM


Re: Sure
Faith writes:
Do you have some reason for not believing this?
Probably too many to go into here, but here's three for starters.
1. She visited a make believe land.
According to you, but not according to her. And children do know the difference, even little children.
2. Her pictures of Christ are classic stereotypical western iconographic tat.
Well, yes, but she didn't claim to see Christ in "heaven" as far as I know. In fact she doesn't describe that experience anywhere that I've been able to find. She's not painting her experience, she's painting the religious ideas she thinks are compatible with the experience. Very New Age. Whatever she experienced it was not heaven or God. If it's fraud it would have to be her parents, not her, and it's hard to see how they could have successfully taught her to carry on such a deception.
3. She lives in America, if anyone is going to swallow religious claptrap it would be American Christians (not all).
Well, I agree that the whole thing is packaged to sell to the lowest common denominator with a religious mentality of some sort or other. Mindnumbingly cliche'd really. But this to my mind would fit with a supernatural NONdivine experience.
The pictures of Christ are no different than many images she would have seen on xmas cards or store displays.
Yes. She's got mechanical ability rather than artistic vision, but it's that ability that wows people in one so young.
I am sure if it was a Muslim girl you would be delighted that she had visited heaven and then painted some exquisite pictures of Muhammad. But that would probably have been demons influencing her wouldn't it.
Well I think unfortunately it was likely demons influencing Akiane too. Apparently you missed some of my earlier posts. To which others have objected for that very reason.
I have no reason to believe that the child visited a place that we have no evidence of its existence.
Lots of evidence. From people who have had such experiences. They, just as we, know the difference between a real experience and what our imagination is capable of.
When I was small I used to frequently go into my attic and shout on King Kong to come and take me to Dracula's Castle, where I played games with Frankenstein's monster, Dracula, the werewolf and the mummy (who was particularly crap at playing tig). (This is true and I remember the experiences very vividly)
Does this mean I really went there, or was it my imagination?
Brian Brian Brian, I know you knew it was imaginative play even then. Did you ever claim to have visited this real place and brought back knowledge from it? No.

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Message 59 of 59 (340355)
08-15-2006 5:44 PM
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08-15-2006 5:35 PM


Re: Sure
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They, just as we, know the difference between a real experience and what our imagination is capable of.
So, according to you, hallucinations do not exist?
And, all of those people who are utterly positive that they have been visited by aliens, probed, etc., actually have been?

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