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Dr Adequate
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Message 28 of 44 (346861)
09-05-2006 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Hyroglyphx
09-05-2006 3:04 PM


But comparing Jonathan Wells, who once was imbued by the Druid-master of evolution, to a liar is pretty bold to do.
"Once imbued by the Druid-master of evolution"?
What a strange, strange phrase.
Anyway, from wikipedia:
quote:
After graduating from Sun Myung Moon's Unification Theological Seminary in 1978, Wells earned two doctorates - one in theology at Yale University and the other in molecular and cell biology at the University of California at Berkeley. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church funded Wells to gain his science PhD at UC-Berkeley to learn how to defeat Darwinian evolution. In an essay posted to the tparents.org website, Wells has written:
"Father's words, my studies, and my prayers convinced me that I should devote my life to destroying Darwinism, just as many of my fellow Unificationists had already devoted their lives to destroying Marxism. When Father [ Sun Myung Moon ] chose me (along with about a dozen other seminary graduates) to enter a Ph.D. program in 1978, I welcomed the opportunity to prepare myself for battle."
It sound to me that he was, ah, imbued with being a Moonie.
Yet I notice that he claims on the cover of his book that ID is not based on religious beliefs.
quote:
"Intelligent design is just the logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory." --- William Dembski
"Our strategy has been to change the subject a bit so that we can get the issue of intelligent design, which really means the reality of God, before the academic world and into the schools." --- Philip Johnson
Please explain how this makes Wells a liar. If Wells believes that Darwinism at heart is a major factor in the Spirit of the Age, then that's what he believes.
That is not the allegation which has been made against him. What was claimed is that he repeats the standard "evolution is an atheist theory" trash. Now the creationist in the street can be half-forgiven for reciting this rubbish, but Wells must surely know who his opponents are.
That doesn't make him a liar.
Well, may we at least say that what he teaches is "based on known falsehoods"? to quote the disgustingly mendacious phrase from the cover of his book.
I could just as easily say that you're lying about being a conservative christian republican because nothing you say is even remotely akin to those time-honored beliefs.
Really?
quote:
"It is mystifying that many conservative Christian Bible colleges and seminaries also seem to loathe creationists." --- Jonathan Sarfati
Creation/ID folks are good at finding things "mystifying". I don't find it mystifying in the slightest. I am not a person of faith myself, but if I was, I too should object to people trying to paint a red clown nose on the face of my crucified savior.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 30 of 44 (346865)
09-05-2006 10:55 PM
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09-05-2006 4:07 PM


And what about those who specifically pursue a doctorate to explicitly defend evolutionary biology?
Name one.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 33 of 44 (346914)
09-06-2006 4:22 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Hyroglyphx
09-05-2006 4:07 PM


And this is of course what nj's own post said, had he bothered to read it instead of just doing cut-and-paste.
Upon release form prison, Wells returned to Berkley and graduated in 1970 with a major in geology and physics and a minor in biology. Put off by the coldhearted drift to violence of the Berkley left, he fled the Bay area first for a commune and eventually to the California hills where he built a small, solitary cabin. There, he immersed himself in nature, much as Thoreau had done more than a centure earlier, and soon began to intuit a sense of design in the grandeur of it all. This discovery informed his spiritual reading, and he found himself coming back time and again to the Bible...
He recieved a veritable calling to study Darwin. This calling took him to Yale where he got his doctorate in religious studies and wrote a book on nineteenth century Darwinian controversies. Not sufficiently armed for the battle that was to come, he took his mission a major step further. In 1989, now a husband and father, the forty-seven-yead-old Wells headed back to Berkley to get a Ph.D in molecular and cell biology.
Of course, the "..." in nj's post represents the point at which Wells joined the Moonie cult.

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