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ringo
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Message 61 of 234 (348494)
09-12-2006 6:02 PM
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09-12-2006 5:38 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
Phat writes:
since there is no "alternate reality", there is no Satan.
Depends on your perspective. We know we are not in Gods reality yet. What reality is left?
There is only one perspective, only one reality - our perspective, our reality.
No rocket science, no Satan.
God has given us an invite to regain communion with Him.
As I showed, we have NOT lost communion with God - Genesis is very clear about that - so there is nothing to "regain".

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Message 62 of 234 (348495)
09-12-2006 6:07 PM
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09-12-2006 6:02 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
In fact according to the story God even played tailor preparing clothes for them.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Phat
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Message 63 of 234 (348507)
09-12-2006 7:22 PM
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09-12-2006 6:02 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
Jesus told the Pharisees that if they had seen Him they had seen the Father. They were simply unable to believe that Jesus was telling them the truth. The Bible revolves around Jesus Christ.
Its not more than a bit ironic that any other god or religious leaders name can be brought up and attracts little attention Bring up the name of Christ and people will either dismiss Him as one of a long line of teachers, get irate that He has anything to do with God by necessity, or perhaps a inority will exault Him for who He is.
Satan will never reform. Satan is the embodiment of arrogance within the human condition that declares that we all are already like Jesus.
Jesus didnt come to tell us that we shall be as gods IF only we behave correctly. Of course we could all get in a whole debate on the topic of Jesus, and qotes can be mined in the support of either side.
Fact is, Satan is the one who lied to us and told us that we didnt need to be obediant.

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sidelined
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Message 64 of 234 (348508)
09-12-2006 7:41 PM
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09-12-2006 7:22 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
Phat
Fact is, Satan is the one who lied to us and told us that we didnt need to be obediant.
I did not. I simply pointed out the nature you already possesed.

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Message 65 of 234 (348513)
09-12-2006 7:56 PM
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09-12-2006 7:41 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
sidelined writes:
I did not. I simply pointed out the nature you already possessed.

Yes.
Well, confrontation leads to change----hopefully positive.
Satan is known as the Temptor. He actually tempers us....allowing us to go through the fire and either bending to the right way or to the wrong way. There is no tempering without a fire.

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ringo
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Message 66 of 234 (348514)
09-12-2006 8:00 PM
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09-12-2006 7:22 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
Phat,
You're not responding at all to anything I post. You're just preaching.
Satan is the embodiment of arrogance within the human condition that declares that we all are already like Jesus.
The whole point of Jesus is that He was like us.
Edited by Ringo, : Re-grammarification.

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Message 67 of 234 (348531)
09-12-2006 9:57 PM
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09-10-2006 8:43 PM


Re: cloned transexual ... ? now angel sex?
To get the genentic diversity there had to be a lot of sex with angels going on. And I suspect the garden event was that of a sexual nature as many have theorized over the years.
I am frankly amused by people adding fantasy to faith to make it work out in some way they think is reasonable but which is really rather strange if not unnecessary.
And I believe the silly things are road blocks to separate the faithful from the faithless.
Like having sex with angels?

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 68 of 234 (348534)
09-12-2006 10:05 PM
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09-10-2006 8:43 PM


Re: cloned transexual ... ?
viewfromthetop:
To get the genentic diversity there had to be a lot of sex with angels going on. And I suspect the garden event was that of a sexual nature as many have theorized over the years.
This is almost a testable hypothesis. All we need is some angel DNA.

Archer
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viewfromthetop
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Message 69 of 234 (348679)
09-13-2006 8:10 AM
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09-12-2006 10:05 PM


Re: cloned transexual ... ?
Angel DNA? Start with basketball players lol (the nephillum were men renoun and stature I guess that means they were tall and had big penises because the women liked to have sex with them). Heb 13:2 suggests that we might be entertaining angels and not know it. Thus their DNA thusly would be indistinguishable from ours. And maybe we still have yet to discover the genetic code for wings! At any rate, I would suggest that living with angels is a silly thing of God that is set as a stumbling block to separate believers from nonbelievers.
I used to think that it was stupid but then my life didn't stand for anything. At least now I am aligned to the "stupid" side as the life after the death of my flesh appears better then life here. I don't believe I had a choice as God's elect, and I don't believe Satan has a choice due to the Word and the nature of what was said in scripture. And at 40 something I have to take most of what I know on the basis of what other people said because I wasn't around for history and science to unfold.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 70 of 234 (348683)
09-13-2006 8:20 AM
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09-13-2006 8:10 AM


Re: Angel DNA
viewfrom thetop:
Heb 13:2 suggests that we might be entertaining angels and not know it. Thus their DNA thusly would be indistinguishable from ours.
So angels would be 96% chimpanzee, too.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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viewfromthetop
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Message 71 of 234 (348687)
09-13-2006 8:34 AM
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09-13-2006 8:20 AM


Re: Angel DNA
duh. The nature of life and the fact that we have to eat life to sustain life was/is a shadow of what Jesus said when he offered his flesh and blood. But it is a necessity at the cellular level to sustain proteins and enzymes or at least DNA chains to be able to coexist with other elements of creation or evolution as I guess you would call it. I didn't think the topic was intelligent design, but Satan not having a choice is the design and by definition, God isn't going to give away His hand to those that are to be distinguished by easy tests. Didn't the Nazis try to corner the market on that?
But speaking of tests, it would be cool to have some kind of correlation for scientists. The Bible code is a pretty cool idea and I am sure it has been debated on this forum. Perhaps the Word of God may also have been written in a genetic sequence. Now finding that would be cool. Maybe one of those nuclear scientists in Iran could be transfered to Israel and asked to help with the study of the genome??

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 72 of 234 (348689)
09-13-2006 8:47 AM
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09-13-2006 8:34 AM


prophecy = no free will?
You're over my head, viewfromthetop. But you are right that we have gone off topic.
Your view of Satan's chance to reform, if I understand it, is that he ceased to have one as soon as the book of Revelation was written. A certain outcome was predicted so that outcome is guaranteed. In effect Satan--even though he is smart and he knows what is in the book and he has centuries to think it over--lacks the free will to reform.
Is that a fair statement of your view?

Archer
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viewfromthetop
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Message 73 of 234 (348863)
09-13-2006 4:32 PM
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09-13-2006 8:47 AM


Re: prophecy = no free will?
sort of. I don't believe that free will ever existed. To use an analogy, I believe Satan is more of a computer program than a "free" thinker. The Word says that Satan was a murderer from the beginning. And since God created evil, then He prgrammed Satan to fall from heaven based on an outcome. His days are limited to a set routine and Satan will find himself extinguised by a single angel in the end. And while Satan can read the word a billion times, Satan cannot change the end or we would then have to throw out all scripture because God could change His mind too. In that sense, we all follow the plan of God, but we either report to the spirit of life or the spirit of death. And if we do some of the silly things of faith then we at least are poised to receive mercy and grace from God through Jesus although even that is determined before hand. The Word says that we are drawn to Him. That implies resistence which is contrary to "free" will. Mike would choose death if given the chance just like a negative charged magnet repelling a similar force but in the analogy opposites repel. We cannot move toward God until God draws us by removing the amount of repelling force. And God already determined that He hates satan and all dirt that isn't elected to become vessels for him. That is the point behind Roman 9 which basically states that He chose to love one twin and hate the other. But He did it in the opposite fashion of what the world would have chosen. He rejected the son with the birthright, was honest, and loved by his father Isaac. Rather Jacob, the thief which is his name was the momma's boy and was chosen to father the tribes of Israel. And God programmed it all before the foundation of the earth so that no one person could boast because God if funny about giving ANYONE credit about ANYTHING.
So if you find yourself doing the silly things (cuz most of us fall under the lost elect from the gentiles rather then as direct descendents of Israel) then while we may be liars, we are at least lined up with the right things of God. And simple acts of faith are important like asking Jesus into our lives, praying, fasting, and speaking in tongues. They seem stupid because there are no emprical laws that back them up. But then that is the point. And while Satan does praying, fasting, etc. they are not counted as faith because they are an abomination. And even if Satan thought his heart was right for repentence, by DEFINITION he is a murderer and hates God. So God will extinguish him as such. Finally if you do a search for God and repent, you will see that God does change direction. I call it the Woody Allen effect because God likes to act in His own movies like Woody. So if God changes His mind, it also had to be planned before the foundation of the world. Otherwise we may have a God that is an Indian giver. But God said that He is the truth but that is based on His plan. That is not to say that He does not send liars or evil or even to repent as part of His plan because all of those instances exist in the Word. We just have to set our definitions based on God! And if you get tripped up thinking it is silly, then the road block is on purpose.

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Message 74 of 234 (348916)
09-13-2006 7:34 PM
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09-13-2006 8:20 AM


Re: Angel DNA
So angels would be 96% chimpanzee, too.
Guess that would explain the Flying Monkeys

Oops! Wrong Planet

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viewfromthetop
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Message 75 of 234 (348921)
09-13-2006 8:34 PM
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09-13-2006 7:34 PM


Re: Angel DNA
are you getting God and the wizzard mixed up? hehe.
Anyway, for those that love empiracal evidence, consider sexual predators. After Dateline NBC has aired a show three or four times and people watch predators get exposed (hehe) on national tv and then find themselves on a way to a cell with Bubba, they continue to line up in front of a staged escapade. Satan must be in charge of this type of behavior cuz it's the only way it makes sense. One you would think that as soon as someone comes in the room they would leave and ask for an attorney if they have an IQ above 40 and 2 you would think that if Satan was in charge with free will he would at least have them show up with a pizza and pretend to be a delivery boy or something. My point is that all of this is staged for the benefit of God's elect. From proverbs 19-22 God speaks that He makes the heart of the kings go where he wants. He says that you may think of something different but what you say is ordered by Him and that your steps are determined by God. And if that isn't enough Jesus becomes the author and finisher of your faith when you become saved. Thus there is no room for improv. If I can't be the writer or the editor of my actions, then all I can do is follow the scipt like a computer program.

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