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viewfromthetop
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Message 106 of 234 (350034)
09-18-2006 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by ringo
09-18-2006 2:23 AM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil
Ok I'll bite Ringo. If Satan reformed and you were there to witness it, you had better put on you sun screen. Presume you are living a lie and are bound in hell like Satan since the only way Satan can repent is by lying about it.

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Message 107 of 234 (350073)
09-18-2006 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by viewfromthetop
09-18-2006 3:56 PM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil
viewfromthetop writes:
Ok I'll bite Ringo. If Satan reformed and you were there to witness it, you had better put on you sun screen. Presume you are living a lie and are bound in hell like Satan since the only way Satan can repent is by lying about it.
That's not much of a bite.
And it doesn't answer the question either. Do you have anything to say about the topic?

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Message 108 of 234 (350080)
09-18-2006 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by ringo
09-18-2006 6:12 PM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil
Ok. Satan has reformed and is preaching how great the heating system is. If you look across the gulf to Paradise you will either see people like Abraham waiting or they are gone. If they are gone, then they will not be back. And if your leader (notice I said your leader hehe but we can fix that) disappears it is because he was called to perform a duty.
I guess the other thing we should look out for if you are lying and Satan repented as your lie. Perhaps you are dreaming. Now might be a good time to ask Jesus into your heart because it doesn't sound like you are prepared to do so when you are awake . Or perhaps you should pinch yourself and try to wake up because if you don't.....

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Message 109 of 234 (350083)
09-18-2006 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by viewfromthetop
09-18-2006 6:23 PM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil
So, still nothing to say about the topic?
Let me repeat those questions from the OP one more time:
  1. Would God forgive?
  2. Would evil disappear?
  3. How would you discern spirits if they all said the same thing?
  4. How would you get the memo?
Remember: the premise is that Satan has gone to God, asking for forgiveness, "asking Jesus into his heart", etc. Answer the questions with that thought in mind.

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Message 110 of 234 (350086)
09-18-2006 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by ringo
09-18-2006 6:30 PM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil
1 no
2 evil will disappear anyway the point is mute
3 I can't discern between lying and truthful spirits. That is a problem of the flesh and doesn't go away until all evil is extinguished which God intends to do any way. So this point is moot.
4 I would not get the memo because of 1
And everything is tied to the topic. The problem is that the premise is that a lie can be something other then a lie. And that premise is false.

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Message 111 of 234 (350087)
09-18-2006 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by viewfromthetop
09-18-2006 6:43 PM


viewfromthetop writes:
The problem is that the premise is that a lie can be something other then a lie. And that premise is false.
That isn't how it works. We're not discussing what will happen. We're discussing a "what if?". Whether the premise is true or false is irrelevant to the discussion.
So, your God is not a forgiving God?
If He wouldn't forgive Satan, what makes you think He'd forgive you?
Which brings us to:
I can't discern between lying and truthful spirits
How do you know you haven't been lied to by those "spirits" who tell you that you are forgiven but Satan is not?

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Message 112 of 234 (350598)
09-20-2006 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by ringo
09-15-2006 4:19 AM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil
sorry lol, i was feeling odd that time or i wouldn't have posted that must stuff

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Message 113 of 234 (350601)
09-20-2006 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by viewfromthetop
09-15-2006 8:48 AM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil
RevDG, we are born in sin and shappened in inequity. We follow the prince of the world (satan) until we are drawn (resistence) to God based on a plan that God contrived before any of us were born. If God is going to change His mind willy/nilly then He may squish us all like bugs which He could do but won't based on His word. As for predetermining the group of the elect, are you prepared to cut Rom 9 from the Bible which follows Malachi? For the exact purpose that no man could boast and be prideful above God's will, He purposed to love one twin and hate the other before the foudation of the world. That is your God. Do you still love Him now?
i would cut pauls writtings from the bible if it would mean that people would condemm others less and love others more.
as for esau, he was an idiot and let himself fall to his own folly, he represented anyone israel hated, so his existence is questionable
And please don't confuse God so loved the world with the world of all people. God made hell and intends to send a lot of people there. And the same author that wrote God so loved the world also quoted Jesus as stating that He (Jesus) prays not for the world but for those that the Father has given Him. Further scripture indicates in end times that there will be separation from those doing the same work in that some are taken and some not. Thus there will be some empty places in the pews and some people left shaking their heads in disbelief.
because revelations hold such authority that the churchs took nearly 500 years to decide it was inspired by god?
I didn't write this stuff, He did. But I don't hear too many sermons on Rom 9. BTW God has absolute control over satan, I never implied He didn't. I only implied that He created a plan and is working it backwards because His ways are not our ways.
his plan? i don't think you have a clue what god is planning, this is you parroting what you have been told by your "church"
As for the elect, they were predetermined. If you were not predetermined, you are a vessel of wrath and you don't have a chance. But you won't know that until it is too late. On the other hand even things such as simple as reading this forum can indicate faith as faith comes by hearing the Word. The elect are called to speak the Word and will be rewarded as having shown acts of faith in so doing. We just need to have an alter call on the forum.
yes and this shows god is a heartless bastard that picks who should go to a place to be with him and those who go to hell to burn, this is the sign of a loving god?
no this sounds like the lies of the very creature you claim is prince of this world. if god loves us so much wheres his mercy?, where shit love? i don't see it

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Message 114 of 234 (350603)
09-20-2006 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by viewfromthetop
09-15-2006 10:23 AM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil
RevDG, forgot to suggest you repent for calling God a monster. I believe KJ frequently uses fear the Lord.
if your petty whiney god requires that i ask for forgiveness for calling him a monster i don't want him. the god i worship is a god of streight that can take a few punchs and still love me.

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Message 115 of 234 (350606)
09-20-2006 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by viewfromthetop
09-18-2006 3:56 PM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil
Ok I'll bite Ringo. If Satan reformed and you were there to witness it, you had better put on you sun screen. Presume you are living a lie and are bound in hell like Satan since the only way Satan can repent is by lying about it.
your god is so powerless that he can't even see into his own creations heart?
he created satan didn't he? why wouldn't he be able to know the truth?
by the way if satan repented god would forgive him, unless there truely is a limit to gods love?

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Message 116 of 234 (350620)
09-20-2006 8:51 AM
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09-20-2006 8:23 AM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil

view, you need to try to stay somewhat close to the topic and stop inserting absolutely unimportant extraneous nonsense. Content hidden.


Rev,
What are you a rev of??? If you are going to cut Paul from the Bible, don't stop there. You will have to cut the one Jesus loved who said God so loved the "world" but then quantified it stating in "red text" I pray not for the world, but for whom my Father has sent. Ouch, now you are going to have to cut JC out of the Bible too. God is not powerless to act, he simply did not choose to. His basic premise holds that He will have grace upon whom he will have grace. And maybe we are just moths in the light, but my faith is in the life to come based upon those vessels in whom God has chosen to put His life and will extinguish all else after tormenting it. Now maybe that is not your God and your definition of love, but I don't want to follow you. And if I am going to follow a book, I guess I will start with the one that has been the most popular in history.
I can't see where we can stay on the topic here. I guess it all centers on whether the Word is truth. And the Word says that all my days were programmed before formed Psa 139 and that I was made a little lower then the angels Heb 2:7.
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Message 117 of 234 (350719)
09-20-2006 3:02 PM
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09-20-2006 8:51 AM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil
hmmm. Don't know if I will get censored but will try to stay on topic. I have a question to add and perhaps some empirical evidence. How do we know that Satan hasn't already repented and that we are living in hell? If the elected believers are already gone then we may never know. And since Satan is a spirit he may have repented and left and the rest here is just chaos. My empirical evidence would suggest that if the Rev is a Rev of God and wants to cut Paul out of the Bible then our truth must be questioned. Cuz if you cut Paul out of the Bible to accept Satan, then you will also have to cut out John and JC out as well. Hope this is close enough or perhaps we need a new topic.

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Message 118 of 234 (350775)
09-20-2006 6:10 PM
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09-20-2006 3:02 PM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil
viewfromthetop writes:
Don't know if I will get censored but will try to stay on topic.
If you want to stay on topic, you can answer the posts that have not been ruled off-topic - for example, Message 111.
My empirical evidence would suggest....
What empirical evidence? You didn't present any.

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Message 119 of 234 (350787)
09-20-2006 6:40 PM
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09-20-2006 6:10 PM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil
The evidence is in the Rev suggesting that we cut Paul out of the Bible. The epistles predict the behavior of not following scripture calling in some godliness in 2 Tim, but since Paul is not hear and believed the second coming is eminent, we could all be living a lie. In which case Satan may have already repented and that is why the chaos abounds.
Thus a man wanting to cut the Bible into pieces is evidence that we are in end times or past end times. But then I don't know if he professes to be a Rev of God. I am afraid this topic doesn't go anywhere and will not produce fruit.

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Message 120 of 234 (350790)
09-20-2006 6:51 PM
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09-20-2006 6:40 PM


Re: The Gospel of Grace Necessitates the Devil
You don't seem to be able to understand what stick to the topic means. I will give you a few days to think about it.

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