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Author Topic:   The validity of an Anthropomorphic God
Phat
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Message 5 of 29 (351724)
09-24-2006 2:23 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Trump won
09-24-2006 2:09 AM


Omnipotant is quite a BIG word
NIV writes:
Rom 11:34-12:1--"Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?" "Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay him?" For from him and through him and to him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.
Man, I always have to scramble to look up these big words that you learn in college!
Websters writes:
anthropomorphism-n : an interpretation of what is not human or personal in terms of human or personal characteristics : humanization anthropomorphic adj
I would agree that God is unknowable in the sense of understanding the dimensions of His thoughts, perspectives, even feelings.
Many Christians speak of a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ, and I too believe this is possible.
I will be honest, however, and declare that I , unlike Paul, do NOT have the "mind of Christ". How could I possible see the world through God incarnates eyes?
Im continuing to pray and communicate with Him on a daily basis, though.
Many people would say that one who talks to God (or Christ) on a daily basis is just talking to themselves. I disagree, and that is basically the beginning of the core of my beliefs.

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Phat
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Message 8 of 29 (351727)
09-24-2006 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by kuresu
09-24-2006 1:41 AM


I know that I believe but do I believe that I know?
kuresu writes:
One cannot believe and know that something exists. Belief is rooted in the unknown. The known is rooted in what we do know--more than just facts, but also an understanding of concepts.
If you know that God exists, how, then, can you belief that he exists?
Good point. Off the top of my head, I remember that Abrahams faith was accounted to him as righteousness...not his knowledge.
Abraham didnt have a clue as to what God was up to on a day to day.
My beliefs have evolved over the years. I am not a word for word Biblical literalist, but I lean more towards a thought for thought literalism...(within reason)
Thats another thing: The Bible is a noble collection of thoughts and philosophies. Many of them are real and valid. To simply state that the entire book is real and valid is not to use critical thinking on the matter, however.
I have always believed that the character behind the book (Jesus Christ) is personal and knowable. Now you have me thinking, however.
Perhaps Jesus is more believable as a literal living person(ality)
but to assert that He is knowable is pompous at best.
My question to myself: Will Jesus ever be fully knowable?
I would like to think so, and am moving towards that conclusion within my belief.
If He is fully known, however, does the Belief vanish?
Edited by Phat, : spelling

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Message 13 of 29 (351732)
09-24-2006 3:02 AM
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09-24-2006 2:48 AM


Describe God in twenty words or less...
kuresu writes:
my whole point, though, was that God has to be able to be described, arituculated, and at times, maybe even anthropomorphized. Otherwise, no one can talk about God and relate the concepts of what God is or might be.
Say we just threw all the books away. If everyone sat in a circle, could any sort of anthropomorphic consensus develop as to who or what God is?

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Message 14 of 29 (351733)
09-24-2006 3:29 AM
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09-24-2006 2:57 AM


Re: I know that I believe but do I believe that I know?
kuresu writes:
I may know my brother--I know who he is, what he is about, but do I truly Know him? When you make someone believable, it's just that--can this character be imagined to really exist, live, breath, and die?
And this, to me, is what seperates a believer from a non-believer. I look at it like this: There are three basic levels of knowing.
1) Knowing about someone. Someone perhaps like Carmelo Anthony. We know about Carmelo. Denver Nuggets hoopster. Wife with baby named LaLa. We have seen Melos likeness on T-Shirts and in the newspaper, perhaps. But how many of us have "met" Melo?
2) Meeting someone. Say we took it a step further. We "met" Melo one day. He interacted with us. Perhaps he only signed an autograph, but by definition he did something that let us know he was alive. Maybe an encouraging word. Maybe he even taught us how to shoot a jumper in the park. At any rate, at this point we can say that Melo is believable as a unique person--- not because of what we have read but because of what we had experienced in our encounter with him.
3) Day to Day- At this level, we would be close to Melo. We would be a team mate or even a family member. We would know the dudes favorite flavors, colors, hangups, and personality.
At this level and only at this level can the reality of the relationship be accepted--or rejected----based on an accurate choice.
Of course this all relates back to Jesus Christ who I believe to be Gods character. Were it not for the flesh and blood reality of Christ, God could never be experienced on a human level---nor could God really be known.
I believe that I am striving to reach the third level in my belief and knowledge of God.
Additionally, how could one ever get to level 3 without having experienced level 2?
God can only be anthropomorphic through Christ and can only interrelate with humanity this way, IMB.
Edited by Phat, : clarification..post expounded upon

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