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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 1 of 18 (297045)
03-21-2006 10:23 AM


*warning* this is mostly brainstorming and wishful thinking and in no way representative of the realities associated with the proposed changes in physics. */warning*
there is a common belief that all things that were created by god were created in the first six days.
this common belief is scripturally inaccurate.
let's spell this out. okay so all the stuff in whatever order in the first six days (depending on which chapter you prefer).
then. we have rain being created during noah's lifetime. also the rainbow is created. and then (stretch here) a weird god-man hybrid with (assumably) a penis but no Y chromosome (and thus no sin?).
the idea of no creation after the first six days is a huge assumption that is not supported by biblical evidence. also, it changes the very nature of the universe. for instance, the rainbow may seem like a very simple thing. however. if the rainbow did not exist before the flood, then the properties of water and possibly a great many properties of the universe were VERY different. the sky was probably not blue prior to the flood. if there were no rainbows, then it can be assumed that before the flood, water could not refract light. the sky is blue because water refracts light. the ocean is blue because it reflects the color of the sky. further, there is the question of whether this change with the creation of the rainbow was one of the properties of water, but perhaps also in the properties of light. was light a different entity before the flood? did it maybe travel faster with longer wavelengths thus perhaps giving a reason for why we can see stars in spite of their great distance and the short age of the universe? is this possible change in the wavelength of light responsible for the loss of telomeres in dna and thus a reduction in the age of living things and thus the size of things like reptiles which continue to grow with age (unlike mammals which tend to cease to grow).
a change such as this (while of supernatural origin) could be an explanation for many difficulties cause by creationist principles in the modern universe. and yet if it is denied as a new part of creation then it can never be used to explain.
so two questions here. any maybe i could get some assistance with the topic.
first. does the bible support more creation than 6 days. or was the original creation 'complete and perfect'.
second. what impacts could such later creation have on the universe and could these explain the vast changes in humanity and animals demonstrated in the fossil record and jive them with what is described in scripture? here i would be looking for physics expert type input on the daydreaming above in the thread.
This message has been edited by brennakimi, 03-09-2006 03:39 PM
This message has been edited by brennakimi, 03-12-2006 02:45 PM
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Message 4 of 18 (297059)
03-21-2006 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by New Cat's Eye
03-21-2006 10:45 AM


Actually, red light has a longer wavelength than blue light and this length is what cases it to be refracted and/or absorbed before it makes it all the way throught the atmosphere. The shorter wavelength light, blue, can make it through the gaps, so to speak, that the longer wavelengths cannot.
*dies*
i hate it when that happens. i guess i shouldn't make drunk posts.
I like your idea but I just think that god could hold all the porperties of physics the same and also not have a rainbow appear and then make the rainbow appear without changing any of the properties of physics. I only think this because, technically, he could do anything and trying to put limits on how things must be if he did things this way takes all of his magic powers away
the thing is, i think it's silly to create something that works a certain way and then make it work a different way. only someone with 'magic powers' would think to show off in that way. but my god does not have magic powers, rather control of everything. those with total control tend to not exercise it.
What about non-physical things, like the covenants, you wouldn't have to make a covenant if it already existed, ya know?
um. i suppose if you look at it in a weird metaphysical way like 'deep magic from the dawn of time'. i tend to look at it like a constitution... a piece of paper that tells you how things work.
but I guess they could used to suppot creationism.
it's an odd daydream to have, about things that could make the universe actually work the way they think it does. but i think the point i'm making is that for creationism to be right and work within a static universe (which i can't imagine god not designing) the universe would have to be completely upside down.

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Message 9 of 18 (297113)
03-21-2006 5:47 PM
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03-21-2006 11:30 AM


I see, so its not like the covenant was not there, its just that it is documented now.
no. more like, it's not a thing to create, but something that was written down. i don't believe that it's some bizarre metaphysical thing that was formed into the universe, but a rule or a promise that god decided to tell us he would follow.

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Message 10 of 18 (297115)
03-21-2006 5:49 PM
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03-21-2006 11:42 AM


Re: Backwards
thats kinda embarrasing
at least i had an excuse

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Message 13 of 18 (355157)
10-08-2006 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Christian7
10-08-2006 6:10 AM


i was referring to jesus. i understand that it makes no sense, that was my point.

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Message 15 of 18 (355179)
10-08-2006 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Christian7
10-08-2006 8:44 AM


you've checked his dna?
demonstrate your evidence, please.

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Message 17 of 18 (355198)
10-08-2006 1:21 PM
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10-08-2006 1:08 PM


jesus probably didn't exist.
at any rate. this was a freethink intended to discuss some of the more fantastical claims and how they would be possible. and its time has passed.

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