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Message 10 of 20 (355373)
10-09-2006 11:34 AM

Reply to: Message 9 by iano
10-09-2006 5:59 AM

Re: The unforgivable sin

iano writes:

God can forgive any and any amount of sin.

Omnipotence.

Then there is no such thing as an "unforgivable" sin.
There can only be a sin that God refuses ro forgive.

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Message 14 of 20 (355408)
10-09-2006 2:35 PM

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10-09-2006 1:08 PM

Re: The unforgivable sin

Phat writes:

Do you think the whole concept of an "unpardonable sin" was a clever marketing tool of the church?

I think the vast bulk of religious "doctrine" is a marketing tool. But my point was that omnipotence and "unforgivable" are incompatible.

Part of the marketing strategy is not admitting that the "god" being sold could forgive absolutely anything if he really was omnipotent. "All is forgiven" wouldn't put stained-glass in the windows or gilt on the dome, would it?

It seems to me that the blasphemers are those who claim that God "can't" forgive.

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10-10-2006 1:16 PM

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10-10-2006 8:44 AM

Re: The unforgivable sin

Phat writes:

Discipline, however, often involves sanctions for an appropriate amount of time.

Hmm.... Here's me thinking that "discipline" was about learning not to do bad things - i.e. rehabilitation instead of arbitrary punishment.

Blasphemy would include claiming that God uses arbitrary sanctions instead of fruitful ones.

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