Why complex form requires an Intelligent Designer

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With an infinite range of possible shapes and properties
random mutation has no hope of providing continuous
selectable changes over time to create the variety of
comlex mechanical forms we observe in living systems.

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Perhaps, but no one claims that random mutations by themselves are all that is necessary for evolution to occur. You forgot the take into account natural selection. Random mutation with a nonrandom selection process just might be able to produce these forms.

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"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good." -- Thomas Paine

If you have, then you have done so incorrectly. Random occurrences with a non-random selection process can reduce the odds against a improbable event. This is well known. Gamblers use this to their advantage. In computer science genetic algorithms produce solutions to problems too complex to be designed by a designer. You are assuming that the probablities of each possibility is independent, but they are not; natural selection eliminates most of the possibilities.You are misapplying probability. My guess is that you don't have much training in probability, and I am certain you don't have any training in biology. The entire OP shows a lack of understanding of the subject matter.

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"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good." -- Thomas Paine

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natural selection can only choose for a specific instance where a form fits specifically ro a specific environment.

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Not quite. Natural selection chooses those individuals that are more likely to survive and reproduce than others. "Fitting specifically into a specific environment" is not really an accurate description since, first, any organism one can think of, there are better "designs" that would fit better into the specific environment, and, second, as the example of invasive species shows, some species will fit in pretty well into other environments than the one it was in initially.-

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Thus as environmental parameters change natural selections parameters would change as well.

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And they do. That is why we see the diversity that exists in the world today.-

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If as you feel it was capable of eliminating possibilities then as the environmental parameters changed to require a different form NS would have already eliminated the possibilities required to fit within the new environmental parameters based on a previous different parameter set.

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Not really. At each point in time, there are still an incredible number of mutations possible. With a large number of individuals in the breeding population, many of these mutations do occur, each one the beginning of a new direction. Natural selection then eliminates most of these other directions, and allows only a very small number to actually produce progeny in the next generation. But, again, in the next generation, a very large number of mutations (and previous not-yet-eliminated variations) will exist, each one leading to a new direction, to be acted on by natural selection.-

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Simply because my analysis of probability differs from yours is no reason to personally attack me or my educational background.

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You are quite right. It was uncalled for me to attack your educational background. It was due to a fustration on my part in not really understanding what your argument and claims are. I still do not understand what your argument is.-On the other hand, nothing in your post says anything about the multitude of evidence that exists in many different fields of biology and geology using a variety of different investigative techniques that all indicate a consistent picture of the way that life on earth has evolved over three and a half billion years old. The evidence exists, despite whatever analysis you or anyone provides, and the logical deduction of that evidence remains that life has evolved over three and a half billion years old.Therefore, it is clear that your analysis is flawed in some way. That could be because scientists do not yet have a complete understanding of the realities of the biological world to be able to answer these types of questions, or it could be because you, as an individual, do not understand biology or evolutionary science to see how your analysis is flawed.Another possibility is that an intelligent agent has directed the evolution of life on earth over three and half billion years.

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"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good." -- Thomas Paine

Not necessarily.infinity/infinity and infinity - infinity are indeterminate; it would depend on which infinity wins out.

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"My country is the world, and my religion is to do good." -- Thomas Paine

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By the way - KBC has tried this exact same argument here

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Gods, and that exchange is even funnier over there!

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