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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5935 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh my! Somehow I doubt "feelings", in the sense you are thinking about, were much of a factor here - certainly not her "feelings". I give you points for your naive optimism. Read a little further down the page and some these "persons" were burnt as an offering. You are going to have to quote this. There is no such thing in the Bible as burning human beings as an offering to God, although there are reports of the heathen nations doing that. In any case I have no idea what you are referring to.
I don't think anybody is disputing this point so the emphasis is really not necessary. However when someone claims these are the thoughts or word of the God you start to get some static. Some of the Bible is simple historical reports that we trust as truthful reports because God oversaw their reporting. It certainly doesn't mean that God approves of everything that is reported. What exactly are you talking about.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Can you speculate why the virgins were only spared? If you answer anything please answer that - this will require some imagination. I already answered this from various Bible commentaries. How did you manage to miss it? The virgins were not held to be guilty of the crime of seducing the Israelites into sexual misconduct.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The problem is the Bible is supposed to be universal, for all people in all times. Yet this passage condones kidnapping and rape. It does no such thing.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Ummmmm... how 'bout he doesn't screw her at all? Um, how about you go and talk to the various nations in 1500 BC about their practices with captives.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
According to modern law, not ancient law. Absolute morality at its finest! The problem here, as usual, appears to be with "rightly dividing the word of truth." God's Law was an improvement over ancient law, as has already been said. Nobody has defended ancient law as the gold standard of law. I've said ancient customs reflect fallen human nature, not the redeemed nature that God brings about. Ancient law and in fact most human laws reflect fallen nature to some extent. But I assume our laws now, after centuries of Biblical influence, are better than the old. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Maybe I missed something somewhere, but I thought this thread was about a passage from the bible, not simply a discussion of an "ancient culture." You missed a great deal apparently. The Old Testament was written in the context of ancient Middle Eastern culture, which of COURSE strongly influenced the attitudes of the various peoples, including the Israelites. God's Law was given into the midst of this cultural context, both reflecting what was God-given in it, and prescribing correctives to what was wrong with it. People here tend to make the mistake of attributing mere fallen human culture to God, and the other mistake of not reading His law in the context which it is correcting.
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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Virgins don't know any better and so can't criticize your skillz in the sack.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This is the problem with reading such a passage out of context. You have to know the whole historical setting in which God orders this punishment of the Midianites, or you end up trying to abstract out principles that are not really general but only apply in this particular case. I understand a similar point can be made about most of the passages that bigots like to use to show the bible condemns homosexuality. In this case the situation is reversed. It is those who refuse to accept that the Bible condemns homosexuality who point to context in the vain hope of finding a way to twist a few words to prove that it's really talking about something else, but in this case there is no context needed. The condemnation of homosexual acts is absolute and unambiguous. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The condemnation of homosexual acts is absolute and unambiguous. How do you figure that? The passages refer to same-sex activity in the context of religious prostitution and sexual rites, common activities at the time the epistles were written, and even that part isn't the words of Jesus, it's just Paul(?) mouthing off his own opinions. There's nothing at all in the Bible that suggests that the prohibition of homosexual activities extends beyond that. Every time "men giving themselves to unnatural lusts" or whatever is described, it's in the context of "what those pagans next door are doing in their temple, but we're not like that." That's pretty contextual, I'd say.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Paul is the servant of God and his teachings are from God.
The homosexual designs on the angels who visited Lot were not made in the context of temple worship. This is off topic however, so if you want to discuss it further I'm sure there are plenty of threads out there on the subject already.
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. There is no context here whatever. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5935 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
There is no such thing in the Bible as burning human beings as an offering to God Perhaps subject matter for another thread, only one atrocity at a time. Check up on Numbers 31:28-29
certainly doesn't mean that God approves of everything that is reported These are supposed commands from God!!! Not historical artifacts. I am comforted that you are trying to distance God from these commands although....
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docpotato Member (Idle past 5067 days) Posts: 334 From: Portland, OR Joined: |
Um, how about you go and talk to the various nations in 1500 BC about their practices with captives. Well, it just seems that God could have, you know, told them not to. Edited by docpotato, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I can't imagine the mentality it would take to read the passage about dividing the spoils among the various classes to include sacrificing human beings.
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