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Christian7 Member (Idle past 269 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
Did God create all that is, seen and unseen? God created everything, but he did not define our character. He simply let it be as it is, so that we could have true free will.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So just to be sure, you agree that
Did God create all that is, seen and unseen? To which you replied:
God created everything, but he did not define our character. So do you agree that:
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 269 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
# God knows what we will do. # we can do nothing that God has restricted us from doing. # God created everything. # Everything includes everyone. Of course.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iBibleNano writes: So at anytime you could freely chose to accept him. How do you know I "can"? Only God knows if I will.
Because part of God demonstrating who he is is saying, "You were wrong when you said I didn't exist..... Whom is God demonstrating to? Us? (Who else is there?) If so, He has to demonstrate in a way that makes sense to us. Frying people for eternity doesn't demonstrate "mercy" to us. It demonstrates cruelty, capriciousness.... Your concept of omniscience doesn't paint a very nice picture of God. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 269 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
How do you know I "can"? Only God knows if I will. I know if you will too. And the answer is you most probably never will. But that doesn't mean you can't. You have the free will to, but the fact is, you simply won't use it. You see, that's where the trouble is. Athiests cannot disceren can from will. It could be said about a person that they won't do their homework, but that doesn't mean they can't. You see what I am saying? The same is true in regards to free will.
Whom is God demonstrating to? Us? (Who else is there?) If so, He has to demonstrate in a way that makes sense to us. Frying people for eternity doesn't demonstrate "mercy" to us. It demonstrates cruelty, capriciousness.... Your concept of omniscience doesn't paint a very nice picture of God. In the afterlife everyone will understand, whether they are in heaven or in hell. And God is also showing off to the angels. Yes, it's true. God does things just to show off. When God took up Elijah (or Elisha, I forget which) he really wen't under the ground into paradise. So that whole rapture thing was for a show. Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given. Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given. Edited by iBibleNano, : No reason given. Edited by iBibleNano, : Just to note: After Jesus was crucified he wen't under the ground and took paradise up to heaven with him.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jar asked:
and iBibleNano replied:
Of course. Are there atheists? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 269 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
Are there atheists? Just get to the fucking point.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iBibleNano writes: Athiests cannot disceren can from will. How did we get to "atheists"?
It could be said about a person that they won't do their homework, but that doesn't mean they can't. Then my question would be: If the teacher knew that the homework wouldn't be done, why would he assign it? To demonstrate his power to assign homework? To demonstrate his "mercy" by punishing those who don't do it?
God does things just to show off. You make Him seem more and more petty. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
jar asked:
Are there atheists? to which iBibleNano as a good Christian boy said:
Just get to the fucking point. That hardly sounds like an answer to the question. Are there atheists? Found out that IBibleNano is under 16. So I am terminating this discussion with him. He has lots of time to explore his beliefs and perhaps when he is older we can continue. Edited by jar, : add age comment Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5870 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Jar, sorry for the aside... But, twice I have attempted to join you in the chat room (whether or not you want to talk with me I don't know...) and since my permission to participate in the science forums has been revoked, I cannot go to the chat room. Is that just the way it has to be?
Rob
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I know of no reason you cannot get into chat.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5870 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
????
It just says: An error has occured communicating with server. Please reload applet and try again. I'm not as computer savy as some...
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Legend Member (Idle past 5027 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
It demonstrates that God has given them a fair chance. It doesn't matter that God created them knowing they would reject him, because it is still their choice. can't you see the absurdity of what you're saying here ? God created them knowing they would reject him and still he sends the Holy Spirit to show he's given them a fair chance ??!?? what fair chance ?? He knows they will reject him. There is no other chance for them other than rejection, as God cannot be wrong in his knowledge. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the bug and some days you'll be the windscreen."
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DominionSeraph Member (Idle past 4775 days) Posts: 365 From: on High Joined: |
Guido Arbia writes: Because once again, as I have stated, we do not know our own future. There is nothing to change. If we knew our future, then we would have something to change, and if we couldn't change it, then you would have an argument. So your entire argument is, "Becase you don't know you're in a cage, even though you're in a cage, you're not in cage." Sorry, but if you're in a cage, you're in a cage. Edited by DominionSeraph, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Sorry, but if you're in a cage, you're in a cage. An ant in a lion cage is in a cage and yet not caged. Earth can be defined as a cage for all life on earth: does that make us caged? we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist
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