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Message 8 of 142 (364634)
11-18-2006 10:55 PM

Reply to: Message 4 by Hyroglyphx
11-18-2006 9:56 PM

Re: Reviewing the video

nemesis_juggernaut writes:

the officers were well within the realm of a reasonable use of force in accordance to the level of escalation.

What "level of escalation" are you talking about?

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Message 14 of 142 (364641)
11-18-2006 11:14 PM

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11-18-2006 11:02 PM

Re: Reviewing the video

Well, my question was in reference to the officers' response to the victim's actions. In what way did the victim "provoke" an escalation of response by escalating his actions? His "actions" seemed to consist mostly of lying on the floor.

When you're trying to remove an unauthorized person, surely nothing beyond "come-along techniques" is justifiable. If the officers couldn't handle their subject without the use of "pain compliance", they are - at the very least - incompetent.

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Message 19 of 142 (364650)
11-18-2006 11:39 PM

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11-18-2006 11:34 PM

Re: Reviewing the video

nemesis_juggernaut writes:

I personally would have just picked him up carefully and properly and dragged him to the car.

Exactly. The obvious solution.

And if you see the last part of the clip I provided, that's what they ended up doing.

And incompetence consists in doing the obvious thing last.

They probably could have avoided tasing him all together, particularly because he was not violent.

Bingo. That's what everybody is trying to tell you. And that tasing is completely over the top for somebody whose "crime" is being in the wrong place without ID.

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Message 27 of 142 (364659)
11-19-2006 12:16 AM

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11-19-2006 12:05 AM

nemesis_juggernaut writes:

So, we're all okay with dragging people out?

Only as a last resort. Since he agreed to leave anyway, even that was unnecessary.

I wouldn't call it incompetence.

If three officers have to tase a prone subject multiple times to "control" him, what would they do in a real security situation?

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Message 43 of 142 (364735)
11-19-2006 12:23 PM

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11-19-2006 11:01 AM

Re: Reviewing the video

nemesis_juggernaut writes:

And what I saw and heard was a man asked to comply 79 times.

How many times do you think they needed to ask before they realized that asking wasn't working?
If you repeat the same post 79 times, does that make your point more effective?

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