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Author Topic:   UCLA student tased multiple times... pointless police violence?
fallacycop
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Message 6 of 142 (364632)
11-18-2006 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Hyroglyphx
11-18-2006 9:56 PM


Re: Reviewing the video
That was clearly a case of abuse of power.
there is no good reason to keep tasing a person like that when he was already hancuffed
I am alittle disgusted by what I saw and by your comments too.

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fallacycop
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Message 18 of 142 (364649)
11-18-2006 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Hyroglyphx
11-18-2006 10:58 PM


Re: Reviewing the video
What exactly did I say that was egregious? The man was warned numerous times. He failed to comply, the police followed through. He had ample time to comply. Would you disagree with that?
I think I made it clear I disagree with that
I personally would not have tased him. I would have used some pain compliance techniques like pressing on the pressure point behind the ear or putting my finger underneath his and applied pressure first. If that still didn't work, then I would threaten to use either pepper foam or a taser.
that would have been abusive too.
Edited by fallacycop, : typo

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fallacycop
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Message 23 of 142 (364655)
11-19-2006 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Hyroglyphx
11-18-2006 11:34 PM


Re: Reviewing the video
The next step is applying a little pain
Once a person is handcuffed and under control, any form of pain constitutes abuse
They probably could have avoided tasing him all together, particularly because he was not violent.
That`s exactly why what they did was abusive.

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fallacycop
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Message 26 of 142 (364658)
11-19-2006 12:07 AM
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11-18-2006 11:57 PM


Re: Reviewing the video
LOL! What isn't abuse then?
Dragging him out of there without applying unnescessary pain.

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fallacycop
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Message 28 of 142 (364660)
11-19-2006 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Hyroglyphx
11-19-2006 12:05 AM


Re: Reviewing the video
The infraction of not having an id card is what precipitated the crime of obstruction. But, yes, I would have just handcuffed him and carried him to the car.
Didn`t you mention something about applying presure to some painfull spots?
I wouldn't worry though. Because its in California, with any luck, he'll get off and be offered a major book deal over his ordeal, the state will award him punitive damages in the amount of 6 million dollars and all the officers will not only be fired, but also will go to prison for 30 years without the possibility of parole.
Good (30 days of prison should be enought IMO)
Edited by fallacycop, : typo

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fallacycop
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Message 32 of 142 (364666)
11-19-2006 1:15 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Hyroglyphx
11-19-2006 12:51 AM


Re: Gaining Compliance
A quote from the comprehensive training manual you provided
A subject physically refuses to comply or respond. He/she does not make any attempt to physically
defeat the actions of the officer but forces the officer to employ physical maneuvers to establish
control.
For example: A subject may be involved in a demonstration. The subject ignores an officer’s
requests to move and the officer must use physical strength to move the subject.
It says to use physical strength to move the subject. It does not say to tase the subject.

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fallacycop
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Message 74 of 142 (365266)
11-21-2006 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Hyroglyphx
11-21-2006 9:42 PM


Re: University of California Police Department's tazer policy
You'd have to show that tasers routinely cause death or serious injury. Otherwise, just about everything could be outlawed.
The question isn't whether it's acceptable for police officers to have tasers.
The question is whether it is acceptable for them to taser someone that already is in hancuffs. Answer: clearly not, are you nuts?
Hell, we take medications that pose a greater threat than tasers ever could.
One more completely irrelevant red hearing (A sure sign that you are running out of real arguments)

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