UCLA student tased multiple times... pointless police violence?

Maybe you don't get the news? Cops in New York shot an unarmed black man in his car more than 50 times for no discernable reason, without identifying themselves as police. Oh, right - "they thought they saw a gun."And you're telling me that a bunch of cops, faced with an approaching angry crowd, aren't going to "see a gun"? I think quite a few people get shot to death in your little scenario.[qss]I am not aware of any incident where college cops have shot to death thirty white students. [/qs]Did I say thirty? Did I imply that the cops were going to shoot every single student? Try to constrain your responses to what I actually wrote.But you really think that a crowd of thirty students can attack 6(?) cops and nobody's getting shot? Cops shoot people when they think their lives are at risk, and I would think my life was at risk if thirty people were moving to an attack position. I might even "see a gun" if I thought that's what it would take to get out of there alive. How does that make sense to you? When you've been the target of angry mobs in the past, what was your reaction?1) An extended inner monologue about your civil relationship to the social contract; or
2) "Oh, shit, I need to get the hell out of here! These people are going to kill me!"We need to understand that we're not talking about campus patrol, here. This is a state university so the security is handled by the regular police. Agents of the state who do stuff like arrest drug dealers and get in gunfights with gang members. People who have experience shooting people, and who probably aren't going to hesitate to do so again. I mean, they tasered this guy for no reason. You think it's unreasonable to believe that they would escalate force even further?I don't see any indication from the situation that they would have shown any restraint to an advancing, angry mob.

This is why Americans are considered political illiterates everywhere in the world. These lazy, bourgeois people think that the aim of democracy is to avoid "being bashed on the head". Their concern with playing things by the book is what allowed their rulers to invade another country and to kill tens of thousands if people in the name of an emasculated vision of democracy which involves "being nice to cops". It's depressing to read it, and more so because the people who write this nonsense are on the left rather than the right of politics.It is time for the left in the US to stand against the authoritarian violence that is carried out in their name. It is unsurprising that Americans fail to do so. Rather, they would rather deal in ironies: Pathetic.MickEdited by mick, : No reason given.

Hee hee hee.

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Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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It is time for the left in the US to stand against the authoritarian violence that is carried out in their name.

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What "left" in the US? Do you mean the entire left here in the US? Well, okay, but I'm not sure even the both of us together will accomplish much.

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Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

Well that is your problem isn't it? I have been active in trade unions and anti-racism campaigns in my own country, and it maybe is time for middle class white students at UCLA to be active too.Mick

... especially not from Oklahoma.(I did my time)

well michael, this is exactly what I mean. Lazy americans who think they are excluded from democratic participation because they live in backwaters like Oklahoma. It's pathetic, and dangerous.Mick

I do not appreciate being bunched together with bat. Can't you see I'm a tasmanian devil?Edited by gasby, : No reason given.

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Place yourself on the map at http://www.frappr.com/evc

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The thread about this map can be found here.

Your cartoon characterization of Americans is interesting, but seems to be far from reality.

You mean his naive belief that the US is a democracy? Yeah, I wonder where he gets his information.

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Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

Okay, I said:"This is why Americans are considered political illiterates everywhere in the world"In response I get the following replies: Well, I'm proved incorrect aren't I? Politically-committed citizens of the US have clearly demonstrated their clarity of thought and knowledge of history.Excuse me whie I vomit.MickEdited by mick, : No reason given.

My initial response was to Chiroptera, not to you. It was an expression of empathy to him.Need a bucket?

And the "hee hee hee" was part of a short conversation between crashfrog and I, in particular, a response to a D&D reference he made.

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Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

Well Chiroptera, it's more serious than that.Your rulers have gone and invaded a foreign country for their own financial gain, and now they're tyrannizing dark-skinned citizens within US borders.I don't see any response from US citizens that makes me think anybody is taking this seriously. The question is, can you go and drift into a fascist government and enjoy it while feeling smug for scoring a point on Evc forum?Mick

So much for mick's "clarity of thought."Edited by Michael, : No reason given.