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Buzsaw
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Message 96 of 137 (371026)
12-19-2006 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Archer Opteryx
11-22-2006 12:38 AM


Re: Magic Water
AO writes:
What do YECs say about the height of antediluvian mountains? Were the Himalayas covered? Or were the Himalayas raised as part of the upheaval?
This YECer believes that the earth was relatively (I say 'relatively') smooth at the crust and surface with much lower mountains/hills and shallow smaller oceans, having a canopy atmosphere. My understanding is that the ocean bottom crusts are an average of 3 miles thick while the continents average around 20 miles thick. Logically the amount of water required to cover the hills would be far less than what would be required today. The weight of the water sank down the thin crusts into the molten core, pushing up the mountain ranges like the Himalayas as the tetonic plates gave way to cause extreme geographic upheavel in some areas and extreme depression in the weaker protions of the crust, et al.
The above is not falsifiable but a logical hypothesis to answer the question as to how a global flood might make the earth appear from a YEC perspective.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 101 of 137 (371032)
12-19-2006 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by shytot
12-13-2006 6:42 PM


Re: The water would still be covering the land.
shytot writes:
If it was a world wide flood there would be no land above water, the water would still be there,
where would it go? where could it go?
Hi Shytot. We welcome you to EvC. As per my message 96, imo it would have broken up the tetonic plates sinking deep depressions in the thinner areas of earth's crust to create our deep oceans. Whereas about 70 percent of the earth's surface is ocean, likely before the flood it was maybe 20 or 30 percent with the water both subsurface and in the atmosphere to effect the flood. Of course a large amount of it would have evaporated to create the post flood atmosphere.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 104 of 137 (371036)
12-19-2006 10:19 PM


OK folks. I'll let the scientific minds debate the science. I answered the question posed to YECers with my own views. Would an earth covering amount of rain crack and depress a three mile thick earth crust? Would it depend some on the unknown properties of what's down under the molten outer core?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 106 of 137 (371040)
12-19-2006 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by DrJones*
12-19-2006 10:10 PM


Re: The water would still be covering the land.
There is a considerable amount of water in our atmosphere now, of course. I'm suggesting that there might have been much more due to unknown pre-flood earth/atmosphere properties, orbit, et al.
I'm not debating you folks. I likely should have kept my thoughts to myself since this is a science thread. Thanks for your responses.

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Buzsaw
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Message 121 of 137 (372230)
12-25-2006 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by roxrkool
12-20-2006 5:14 PM


Re: Magic Water
roxrkool writes:
Let's say you have a land mass that is relatively smooth. What's that? Maximum 2000' high rolling hills? Then the rains started. Since all the land masses were covered by water, that means sea levels were raised globally. That's a LOT of rain.
I was thinking a max of something like 3000' and a much lower sea level, say a 1500' or so lower and relatively shallow oceans of say a max of 2000' or so below sea level. This would suggest a great deal of erosion and platonic seismic activity, would it not?
I believe Ballard's Black Sea discovery of a lower pre-flood sea level confirms that pre-flood seas were much lower than what is observed today.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 126 of 137 (372350)
12-26-2006 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by roxrkool
12-26-2006 4:50 PM


Re: Magic Water
roxrkool writes:
I'm not sure I understand. The max elevation is somewhere around 3,000' (above sea level) and 2,000' deep oceans - that I understand.
What do you mean by a 1500' sea level?
I meant to say 1500' to 2000' max ocean depth.
roxrkool writes:
Please elaborate. What suggests a lot of erosion or seismic activity? And what do you mean by "platonic?"
Woops. Make that plate tectonics.
I believe Ballard's Black Sea discovery of a lower pre-flood sea level confirms that pre-flood seas were much lower than what is observed today.
roxrkool writes:
There is plenty of evidence for much lower and higher sea levels, that's not a problem. The problem is accounting for the large amount of sediment in the geologic record. Is that what you believe? That most of the geologic record is composed of flood-deposited sediments?
So if Ballard discovered what you think is the pre-flood world, all the rocks and sediment present below are pre-flood. Meaning that only the uppermost sediments of the geologic record are Noachian. Is that correct?
This is the controversial stuff which more scientific apprised creos debate about. I go with the Noaic floodist side of the debate, but whereas our scientists are able to debate the science and geology, I am not. I have the Grand Canyon video of ICR on flood geology relative to the canyon. It made sense to me as a layman as I viewed the video and listened to their views on it. I also have their Mt. St Helens video in which they applied it to a flood model, et al and as a layman some arguments in it made logical sense to me.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 135 of 137 (373192)
12-31-2006 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by roxrkool
12-28-2006 10:32 AM


Re: Magic Water
roxrkool writes:
I can see why you don't debate the science, Buz, however, it's obvious you hold a very strong position about the occurrence of a global flood because you argue in favor of it constantly. I don't see anything wrong with holding controversial positions, but in the face of overwhelming evidence against it, it seems a bit pig-headed.
The fact is, if the present geologic record was deposited from a global flood, you still don't have enough source material on the continents - even with 3,000' high hills. The geologic column is many kilometers thick and that requires an immense amount of material.
I understand your concern here as to my ideological integrity. What you are not understanding is my problem with the corroborating evidence which I observe regarding the accuracy of the Biblical record. What do I do with all those fulfilled prophecies which conform to the historical record. What do I do with all the other evidences of Biblical accuracy such as social, political and cultural aspects.
I see the prophecies either having been fulfilled or on track for fulfillment. I see the cultural, physical, moral and social benefits of Biblical principles in history and in observing the nations and cultures of the world with the Biblical fundamentals bringing the benefits to those cultures and nations which follow them.
I see the problems with evolution such as the absense of so many transitional fossils missing, et al and I say to self, 'self, go with the Biblical flood, et al, since the observables are there to see, whereas much of the debatable stuff on flood, et al are open to interpretation of what is observed and the margin of error in interpretation caused by unknown pre-flood atmosphere, et al.'

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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