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jar
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Message 16 of 303 (374172)
01-03-2007 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 7:42 PM


Re: Not Prophecy but rather Nonsense.
Jar, to begin with cut the personal stuff and stick to refuting if that's what you intend to do. If you persist in this, moderation may be called for.
Well I am but a member, you are an Admin. Cojones though are a prerequisite. I say nothing personal about you, don't know you, might even like you. All I address is your posts and frankly, your posts on theology show as little understanding of the Bible as your posts on science.
1. I didn't say cash less. I said cashless, just as the prophecy implies. The global monetary systems are continuously becoming more cashless and computerized with numbers and marks, et all. You cannot deny that. It is also becoming more essential to produce your social security number in order to buy and sell, cash or no cash. Here in NY you can't get a tax resale permit without the number and in fact the number becomes your resale certificate number. If you sell as a merchant, you need the number to account to the government for the tax you owe on it, et al.
More mental masturbation Buz. No where in the crap you quoted are computer, tv or cashless transactions stated or implied. To claim that it is in there is simply false.
Prophecy refuted.
Try another.
2. TV is also implied. It is indeed a speaking image. So is your computer. There is an ever increasing electronic economy with buying and selling on the internet. This also requires a credit card with numbers on it et al.
I failed to mention also regarding TV that there are at least three scriptures which clearly imply TV and other electronic image/speaking media. These are Revelation 11:8-12 where the peoples of the nations view the dead bodies of two men at one location. Revelation 18:9-18 depicts the kings/rulers of the earth and the shipmasters far off viewing the smoke of the city, mystery Babylon which is destroyed in one hour, implying both electronic media/speaking image and explosives which can destroy a city in one hour. The third is that all will see Jesus coming in the clouds when he comes. All three of these were impossible until after the industrial revolution and the emergence of TV and other electronic media.
More from the fantasy world of Buz. The only thing that is specific in that crap is that the number will be the same for everyone, and that the number refers to some individual, not to the bearer.
The fact that you correlate that to credit cards that are unique to the individual or tax numbers that are unique to the corporate entity simply shows that you are clueless about the Biblical Passages, certainly cannot understand what is written in them or are deliberate misrepresenting the passages.
Buz, I can make shit up too.
3. I failed also to mention that the ten horned beast of Revelation 13 is interpreted as global kings/rulers who rule as kings, implying great authority in Revelation 17 and in similar wording in Daniel 7.
Buz it is possible to make up anything. Who are these Kings? Show me the Kings that actually rule as Kings did in the past? How many real monarchies are there? Where is the King of Israel that is needed before even that imaginary prophecy is fulfilled.
5. These corroborate other end time prophecies such as the ones in Daniel and global warming prophecies. These are also themselves corroborated by other prophecies such as global warming, return of Jews, et al. So it's not one or two isolated prophecies we're talking. It's a whole lot of them corroborating each another.
Chapter and verse Buz. Enough of this Gish Gallop. Pick one and let's discuss it.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 17 of 303 (374174)
01-03-2007 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Taz
01-03-2007 12:38 AM


Re: Obscurity Of Speech
TD writes:
I have no idea why people of the past (or even present day prophets) communicate in such obscure manner. The second way I could have told you about the premonition could be interpreted as a comet, meteor, missile, etc. Why not just say I saw a plane crashing into a building?
Perhaps I can suggest a sensible reason why God does this to prophecies and why Jesus spoke in parables, et al.
God told the Israelites of old via the prophet Jeremiah: 12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:12-13)
Perhaps God purposefully obscures revelation for those who seek him, seek his revelation and who choose to obey and honor him and work at seeking out his truth. The Bible is not a read through book. It's a life study book. It's a manual the maker has furnished the intelligent creature he has made so as to know how to operate efficiently in the life the creator has so wonderfully designed. It's also a history of the past and a revelation of the future, covering all in all from beginning to end so as for God's people not to be in the dark but children of light, having the knowledge of where the world came from and where it's going.
In another verse somewhere it says the eyes of Jehovah go throughout the earth looking for those who's heart is true to him in order to show himself strong on their behalf. To enjoy the blessings of God one must assume the responsibilities required by God.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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crashfrog
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Message 18 of 303 (374190)
01-03-2007 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 7:42 PM


Re: Not Prophecy but rather Nonsense.
I didn't say cash less. I said cashless, just as the prophecy implies.
It's no prophecy if it was contemporary. As I've told you on multiple occasions, cashless transactions were commonplace in Biblical times.
Revelation 18:9-18 depicts the kings/rulers of the earth and the shipmasters far off viewing the smoke of the city
You can see smoke for many, many miles at sea. Typically seamen could see the smoke of a burning city many days out from its ports.
Smoke rises, Buz. The Bible writers surely knew that, even if you seemed to have forgotten.
These events are all clearly designated by scripture as to be fulfilled in the latter days of the earth before the 2nd advent of Christ Jesus.
Right. That time has come and gone with no sign of Jesus. It was, after all, supposed to happen before all of the apostles had died. (I did not, as near as we can tell.)
It's a whole lot of them corroborating each another.
They don't corroborate each other, though. Most of the so-called "prophecies" don't have any similarity whatsoever; no indication that they're meant to refer to the same things.
You're the novice trying to tell the one who's done the homework that they're nonsense.
If you've done your homework, how come you didn't know that cashless, ledger-based transactions were commonplace in Bible times?

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Buzsaw
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Message 19 of 303 (374192)
01-03-2007 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by iceage
01-03-2007 12:55 AM


Re: Standard of Specificity
iceage writes:
The allegedly prophetic content here is:
"Many shall run to and fro". Oh come on ... I would not even put this in the weak to very weak category.
"and knowledge shall be increased". Now that is right up there with Pat Robertson. Knowledge has increased since the advent of written languages... Duh.
The prophecy isolated does become insignificant. In context it does not. The prophecy in context depicts it as something phenomenal to emerge to high escalation in the end time. Here we are with corroborating prophetic end time stuff such as the phenomenal return of Jews to Israel and with a super-phenomenal increase in both travel and knowledge. Read it with all the endtime events beginning to come to pass and it becomes very significant.
Yes, knowledge has increased, but like a train beginning to move slowly it picks up speed gradually to eventually speed down the track to destination. That's the way knowledge has increased from day one of humanity. The significance of the increase has not been achieved until the industrial revolution. With that increase of knowledge, finally comes the fast track with combustion engines et al and the messianic kingdom, Israel in place for the return of the messiah Jesus exactly as prophesied.
Here is a list of 10 OT prophesies of the what is emerging in Israel:
10 Bible prophecies fulfilled recently
These are fulfilled messianic prophecies concerning Jesus:
http://www.messianic-prophecy.net

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 20 of 303 (374198)
01-03-2007 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by crashfrog
01-03-2007 8:43 PM


Re: Not Prophecy but rather Nonsense.
If you've done your homework, how come you didn't know that cashless, ledger-based transactions were commonplace in Bible times?
A cunieform accounting (cashless) tablet from about 1900BCE.

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iceage 
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Message 21 of 303 (374201)
01-03-2007 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 8:44 PM


Re: Standard of Specificity
buz writes:
corroborating prophetic end time stuff such as the phenomenal return of Jews to Israel and with a super-phenomenal increase in both travel and knowledge.
"Many shall run to and fro" and "knowledge shall be increased" does not convey super-phenomenal increase.
At any rate, I am very underwhelmed.
BTW.... You specifically used a supposed quote by Sir Isaac to buttress your OP. Can you find provide an independent reference for that quote? Reference Message 10

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Message 22 of 303 (374219)
01-03-2007 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by crashfrog
01-03-2007 8:43 PM


Re: Not Prophecy but rather Nonsense.
crashfrog writes:
If you've done your homework, how come you didn't know that cashless, ledger-based transactions were commonplace in Bible times?
1. Cite them and we'll discuss them and compare them to the significance and extent of what is going on now. When Jesus paid his taxes by extracting coin/s from a fish and when he had the Pharasees show him a coin, no paper there. I'm not saying they didn't use some paper for different purposes. I'm talking by and large, coinage.
2. They never ever became significant. Coinage and hard asset and money has been the norm all through the centuries.
3. No corroborating fulfillments back then.
4. Paper promisary notes and paper backed by gold, silver, et al not what is prophesied. What is prophesied is numbers and marks with no indication of backing as we are experiencing. Even our cash bills were suppose to be nothing but promisary notes which could be turned in for gold/silver. Not so any more.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Message 23 of 303 (374223)
01-03-2007 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by jar
01-03-2007 8:48 PM


Not Money.
If you've done your homework, how come you didn't know that cashless, ledger-based transactions were commonplace in Bible times?
This was an accounting document and does not appear to be the actual payment of the transaction. It's simply a written document depicting a transaction. I doubt very much that the folks back then were foolish enough to accept chunks of clay for cows. LOL!
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 24 of 303 (374227)
01-03-2007 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 9:09 PM


Re: Not Money.
This was an accounting document and does not appear to be the actual payment of the transaction. It's simply a written document depicting a transaction. I doubt very much that the folks back then were foolish enough to accept chunks of clay for cows. LOL!
What do you think credit cards, money, checks et all are Buz?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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ringo
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Message 25 of 303 (374231)
01-03-2007 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 9:00 PM


Re: Not Prophecy but rather Nonsense.
Buzsaw writes:
Coinage and hard asset and money has been the norm all through the centuries.
Ever hear of the barter system?
"Coinage and hard asset and money" are hardly a blip in the history of mankind.

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jar
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Message 26 of 303 (374235)
01-03-2007 9:22 PM
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01-03-2007 9:18 PM


Re: Not Prophecy but rather Nonsense.
"Coinage and hard asset and money" are just an accounting system anyway.

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Message 27 of 303 (374236)
01-03-2007 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by PaulK
01-03-2007 2:28 AM


Re: Buz comes up swinging again.
I don't know about you but when I "run" I do so on foot. Nobody tuns while mounted on a horse or in a car.
My wife runs all over town in her car on shopping days. Haven't you ever ran down to the store or to the gas station in your car? Why heck, George Wallace ran for office in a wheel chair.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Message 28 of 303 (374241)
01-03-2007 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by jar
01-03-2007 9:14 PM


Re: Not Money.
They're emerging payments involving numbers and marks, unbacked by things of value like gold/silver which are what should be expected before emerging into computerized cashless entries in bank accounts. The forging and theft problems of these payment means are escalating to the point that it would make sense having marks or number chips in ones head or hand for transactions for security purposes. This is becoming more of a reality. I often fill my car with gas without even seeing the recipiant of the payment as do millions of others. It's all on paper. Soon cash will be no more is my prediction. Maybe this ole man will see it before I die, maybe not. Imo, God willing, it is feasable (abe: whereas a mere century ago it wasn't.)
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Message 29 of 303 (374243)
01-03-2007 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by jar
01-03-2007 9:22 PM


Re: Intrinsic Value.
Before inflation, they were metals of value which had to be mined and which even when melted had intrinsic value.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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jar
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Message 30 of 303 (374244)
01-03-2007 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Buzsaw
01-03-2007 9:39 PM


Finally we find out we are not talking about Biblical Prophecy at all
They're emerging payments involving numbers and marks, unbacked by things of value like gold/silver which are what should be expected before emerging into computerized cashless entries in bank accounts.
Gold/silver have no value either except in relation to some general accounting system.
Actually the tablet I posted the link to is exactly the same as a cashless transaction.
Soon cash will be no more is my prediction.
That may well be Buz prediction but it is TOTALLY unrelated and irrelevant to the prophecies you quoted.
Gallop Gish, gallop.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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