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Topic: Reliable history in the Bible
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 29 of 300 (375136)
01-07-2007 5:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 28 by anastasia
01-07-2007 5:18 PM
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Cross?
The problem with discussions about the exact meaning of words in situations like this is that we are talking about an event where there is no evidence even the basic event happened. Talking about the historical reliability of specifics of Jesus crucifixion when there is no reliable evidence Jesus even ever existed, much less was crucified is pretty much an exercise in futility it seems.
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 31 of 300 (375140)
01-07-2007 5:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
01-03-2007 6:46 AM
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What about the tales of Assyrian conquests as far south as Gaza
As outlined in Kings? It is pretty certain that Assyria, and later Babylon did conquer much of the area between them and Egypt.
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 36 of 300 (375623)
01-09-2007 10:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 34 by Nimrod
01-09-2007 4:30 AM
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Re: 80% of Josephus scholars...
Which simply means that 20% of the scholars think that the Josephus mentions are totally fraud while 80% think they are only partially a fraud. In addition, the Josephus comments, since he never indicates any personal knowledge, only show that there were people who believed the Gospels. The fact that people believe there was a person called Jesus that lived the life more or less as described in the Bible is not in doubt. The question is whether or not there actually was such a person. On that question the Josephus comments add nothing.
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What about the tales of Assyrian conquests as far south as Gaza
Delete all of your cookies and then log back in.
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 52 of 300 (376167)
01-11-2007 10:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 49 by Nimrod
01-11-2007 2:50 AM
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Re: 80% of Josephus scholars...
But none of that addresses the question of whether or not Jesus really existed. It is akin to saying that many people know the story of King Arthur. Josephus is merely saying that "Here is what people say...".
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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the old fashioned way
How did Egypt erect the pyramids without iron? With wood, water, stone, copper and patience.
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: the old fashioned way
Not a satisfying answer. Why don't we put Iron I before Early Bronze? What prevents moving Iron 1 (besides reputations)? Many, many things. First, folk were not stupid. You do not move from a more successful solution to a less successful one. Second, knowledge is a cumulative venture. What is learned leads to a further advance. Third, iron requires far higher temperatures and technology to work than bronze. Fourth, specifically dealing with the pyramids, there are NO indications that iron was used. However there is evidence the copper and perhaps bronze was used. In fact they have found recycling centers where the tools were returned, reworked and then reissued. Fifth, we have pretty good ideas when the Egyptians first encountered because it was in the form of weapons of war used by their enemies and that made a considerable impression on them.
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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What Bible?????????????
But only one Bible. Or so they tell me. Who ever told you that there was only one Bible, lied to you. The smallest Bible has only 5 books, and at the other end there are Bibles with 81 books.
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 241 of 300 (420858)
09-09-2007 7:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 239 by Siggy
09-09-2007 6:41 PM
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tyre?
just a question, has anyone brought up toe topics of Tyre and Sidon yet? or the book of Daniel? You mean how those prophecies never got fulfilled and how claiming falsely that they have drives folk away from Christianity when they learn the truth? Sure, lots of times. AbE: Adding a link to just one example of where that lie that the Tyre Prophecy was fulfilled actually drove someone from Christianity.
Message 1 Edited by jar, : add link
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 249 of 300 (421679)
09-13-2007 7:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 248 by Siggy
09-13-2007 6:31 PM
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Re: So When Was That Flood?
isnt that kinda hypocritical of you seeing as how you cannot tell me how old the universe is? Not at all. We can tell you that the universe is at least 14.5 billion years old and there has not been a world-wide flood on earth in at least the last several hundred million years, certainly there has never been one while humans lived. If, as in your fantasy, it happened within the last few thousand years you should be able to pin point it with some accuracy.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 252 of 300 (421694)
09-13-2007 9:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 250 by Siggy
09-13-2007 9:28 PM
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Re: So When Was That Flood?
at least i can be a bit more specific, the flood happened between 3000 and 6000 years ago. Except of course that is simply false, not true.
but on this side note, isnt it interesting how most every major civilization on earth has some myth or story about a flood? the Japanese even believed that the earth started with water (something about a sword was in there too) anyway they dont have the details right, but just about all of them have a flood story, pretty remarkable for people who had never talked to each other. Not surprising at all. Local floods happen.
Dont you ever call my beliefs a fantasy again; I try to respect your beliefs, and i expect respect in kind; it takes far more faith to believe that the universe evolved from hydrogen gas than to believe in a creator. your signature is right Aslan is not a tame lion You are, of course free to believe anything, but no one should respect beliefs that are patently false. A world-wide flood is fantasy. It simply never happened. If it bothers you that folk laugh at the idea of a world-wide flood, then learn. No one has to stay ignorant.
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jar
Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 257 of 300 (421703)
09-13-2007 10:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 255 by Siggy
09-13-2007 10:09 PM
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Re: So When Was That Flood?
care to prove that statement instead of making unqualified statements? Of course. There are many such threads already here at EvC. The belief in a world-wide flood is simply ignorance, delusion or outright lying. I suggest one place to start learning is Message 1.
first of all, i doubt that anyone is convoluted enough to believe that minor floods would be recorded in the mythology of a civilization; it would have to be something drastic for the stories to be preserved 3000+ years. Then to say you would have me believe that there were a dozen major floods in different areas of the world than one world wide flood? which seems more likely? Other than the fact that we see such floods happening all the time? And it is not dozens of floods but many, many more. Further we can actually see the evidence of those floods, their extent and when they happened.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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