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Author Topic:   Will The Real God Please Stand Up?
ringo
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Message 46 of 364 (379389)
01-23-2007 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Rob
01-23-2007 11:34 PM


Re: Can I tell the truth, Jesus?
Rob writes:
Well, if you live to see the dead raised at the rapture as prophesied by Ezekiel, will that be enough of an earthquake to shake your foundation?
You're missing the point of the thread. The evidence has to be presented here, in the courtroom. We're not interested in sitting around waiting for the Gotterdammerung.

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Message 47 of 364 (379391)
01-23-2007 11:40 PM
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01-23-2007 11:38 PM


Re: Can I tell the truth, Jesus?
The evidence has to be presented here, in the courtroom.
You don't recognize the evidence... Jesus said that He came to save sinners. That's the stumbling block. That's why your blind!
Evidence?
'The most emperically verifiable reality is the depravity of man. Yet at the same time it is the most intellectually resisted fact!'
(Malcomb Muggeridge)
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kuresu
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Message 48 of 364 (379393)
01-23-2007 11:47 PM
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01-23-2007 11:40 PM


Re: Can I tell the truth, Jesus?
your point?

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ringo
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Message 49 of 364 (379394)
01-23-2007 11:48 PM
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01-23-2007 11:40 PM


Re: Can I tell the truth, Jesus?
Rob writes:
That's why your blind!
Justice is supposed to be blind.
In this courtroom, all of the candidates are on an equal footing. They all have to offer the same level of evidence.
If you don't like that, you can go outside and preach on the street corner. This is not the place for you.

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Message 50 of 364 (379395)
01-23-2007 11:48 PM
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01-23-2007 11:47 PM


Re: Can I tell the truth, Jesus?
your point?
Denial is powerful... and defiance is absolute...

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anastasia
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Message 51 of 364 (379396)
01-23-2007 11:50 PM
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01-23-2007 5:41 AM


Re: Why Loki?
Phat writes:
Let the record show that the Jehovahs Witnesses do in fact assert that Gabriel represents Jesus.
Actually, it is Michael for them.

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kuresu
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Message 52 of 364 (379399)
01-23-2007 11:58 PM
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01-23-2007 11:48 PM


Re: Can I tell the truth, Jesus?
ay, like your denial that sin is a separate concept from "right and wrong" and your defiance of your own rules--you claimed you were leaving. you left. and you came back.
i smell hypocrisy. i taste hypocrisy. i see hypocrisy. i hear hypocrisy.
hypocrite.

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Rob 
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Message 53 of 364 (379408)
01-24-2007 12:24 AM
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01-23-2007 11:48 PM


Re: Can I tell the truth, Jesus?
Justice is supposed to be blind
I can't believe I have to say it... I wasn't talking about justice. But you're right, Justice is frighteningly blind! No mercy for those who refuse it.
I was talking about being blind to the fact that you are a sinner.
Under God, all men are equal and all men are as filthy rags.
Only over Satan, are all men unequally righteous.
Would you please just think about that...

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kuresu
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Message 54 of 364 (379409)
01-24-2007 12:31 AM


you know, you have to wonder about people who are so convinced that they are "nothing" and "worthless" and "filthy rags".
why do people have such low opinions of themselves and others?
(and what's truly ironic (though I don't think I'm using the literary term correctly) is that these people who abhor against being called "animals" by the logic of evolution are convinced that we are nothing more. what was it hobbes said? "the life of man is poor, solitary, masty, brutish, and short". hmm, and they have problems with a science that relegates them to the status of a mere animal.)

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Message 55 of 364 (379410)
01-24-2007 12:32 AM
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01-23-2007 11:58 PM


Re: Can I tell the truth, Jesus?
ay, like your denial that sin is a separate concept from "right and wrong" and your defiance of your own rules--you claimed you were leaving. you left. and you came back.
There is no difference between sin, and right and wrong. And the fact that you are so wrong is sinful. Your motivations are impure...
Nietzche got his philosophy wrong (a logical mistake). And it led to the Gas chambers. Just ask Victor Frankl who experienced the gas chambers first hand.
'The gas chambers of Auschwitz Cherblinka, and Mydanek, were the ultimate consequence of the theory that man is nothing more than a product of heredity and environment. We should not look to some ministry or other of defense in Berlin, but to the desks and lecture halls of nihilistic philosophers and scientists.' (paraphraseed)
But it wasn't a mistake... it was an attempt to side-step the moral realm. His motives were impure...

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ringo
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Message 56 of 364 (379411)
01-24-2007 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Rob
01-24-2007 12:24 AM


Re: Can I tell the truth, Jesus?
Rob writes:
I wasn't talking about justice.
Well, the rest of us are - equal justice for all of the candidates for the position of "God". A level playing field.
Now, would you care to present some evidence for the candidate of your choice? Or does He need a better advocate than you?

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Message 57 of 364 (379413)
01-24-2007 12:40 AM
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01-24-2007 12:32 AM


Re: Can I tell the truth, Jesus?
Or does He need a better advocate than you?
He only needs an audience who actually wants the truth. Not one that continually crucifies Him, and finds Him an offense.
I say to all of you the words given to me as my own... 'The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil.' John 7:7

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ringo
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Message 58 of 364 (379416)
01-24-2007 12:43 AM
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01-24-2007 12:40 AM


Re: Can I tell the truth, Jesus?
Rob writes:
He only needs an audience who actually wants the truth.
We're not interested in your version of The TruthTM here. We're interested in evidence. If you don't have any, please stop interrupting these proceedings.

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anastasia
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Message 59 of 364 (379417)
01-24-2007 12:47 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by kuresu
01-23-2007 11:58 PM


Re: Can I tell the truth, Jesus?
kuresu writes:
like your denial that sin is a separate concept from "right and wrong"
Kuresu, I am going to have to agree with Rob about this. If you believe in sin, you call wrong 'sin'. Otherwise, you just call wrong wrong. The problem is, there are times when wrong/sin doesn't mean 'you are hurting someone' but means 'you are hurting God'. If we don't all believe in God, or even the same God, well, it might be a sin for someone to skip church, but to anyone else it's not even wrong. That is why when it comes to homosexual marriage, there is a need to seperate the ideas, because one person's idea of 'sin' does not mean that anyone else even sees 'wrong'. Other things, where we see obscene wrong, like murder, are sins, and wrong.

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Message 60 of 364 (379422)
01-24-2007 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by anastasia
01-23-2007 11:50 PM


Re: Why Loki?
Ooops! I knew that!

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