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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Since the concept of a creator is not scientific, it follows that science must exclude a supernatural creator from any of its components. What we have is a subject matter that tries to describe the world without a creator. Without using the concept of a creator or any religous principles, science seeks to explain the entire world.
Obviously, if science seeks to formulate laws upon which the world is run on a daily basis down to the atomic level, where can religion fit in? Where does this supreme being assert his control? Scientists cannot say where a supreme being takes over the controls of the atoms because that is never scientific. Because science must explain the entire world and its origin without using any religous factors and rather using formulated "Laws of Nature", science is its own religion. Edited by AdminPD, : White Space
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Many of the people on this board seem to misunderstand religion, and seem to have overlooked my point. Religion seeks to explain the universe. It is obvious that religion is not just a jumble of stories, myths, and practices that make no sense but are followed out of tradition. Religious beliefs must all have reasons behind them. The reason why people become part of a religion is because they truly believe that the religion has a sound explanation for the mystery of this universe. People all have questions like: Why does the world exist? Who made it? Who controls it? What keeps everything going? What happens after death? The religion to answer these questions in the best manner will be followed. Science does not avoid these questions in the least bit. Rather, science tries to answer every one of these questions based on the five senses. Science can therefore be considered a religion that believes in a strictly physical world and one that hides nothing from the five senses. If science would consider a supernatural being not bounds by the constraints of humans to be a possibility, many of the scientific principles can be challenged. A good example is gravity. Maybe there are little spirits that hold people to the floor and a supernatural being, undetected by man, is controlling this spirit. Science has not disproved that possibility. Rather, the religion of science may not "believe" in such things. Science can be classified as a religion that worships the five senses.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Can one actually prove that the Earth does circle around the Sun without science? Maybe the entire universe is rotating around Earth?
Maybe the supernatural being is holding order in the universe because he is trying to conceal his existence?
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
I just thought I would pose an interesting question which may shed some light on this issue. How can one even attempt to classify religions? If I believe that there is a supernatural being that is completely undetectable by man, and he controls everything in this world using patterns (probably so that the humans do not detect him) that he rarely deviates from, then I believe that the entire world is just that. I would not believe in any other religion and I would label them all fairy tales. My definition of religion would be my religion and no other. When one starts to classify religions and study all religions as a topic, what religions would he consider himself to be a part of. If he were a Hindu, he would probably call his studies, "The Study of Blasphemous Literature and Practices." He would not admit them to be religions because he believes that he has found the truth. In my opinion, it is impossible for one to exclude himself from "the subject of religion." Whatever is your opinion of the universe, whether you believe in the supernatural or you just believe in pure science, you have just made a religious opinion.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
I just want to let eveyone know that I am not posting without reading. I have read all the posts and I try to share some of my thoughts with you to see what you think. I will try to respond more precisely with enough time.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
I have already explained to you that science is not just a way of describing what is happening in the universe. Rather, science seeks to "explain" what is happening in the universe. The example I gave was gravity. The Theory of Gravity does not merely say that objects fall and we don’t know why. The theory says that all bodies that contain a mass will attract other bodies. Where is there a proof for this concept? Do you really "believe" that anything with mass has an attractive force? Maybe there is another "explanation" for this phenomenon.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
I have a good question for you. Why do people who believe in science continue to assert that it is not a religion? What is wrong with saying that science is a religion? Obviously, the people who involve themselves with science are trying to avoid religion. As for your statement that scientist are not all godless, why is it that Evolution is completely undisputed among the scientist. Surely you agree that the idea that human beings evolved from other forms of life clashes with almost every religion.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
The evidence for a supernatural being is the existence of this world.
Nobody (not even the scientists) claims that this world always existed. If that is the case, when, why, and how did this world come into existence? The greatest physicists of our time have been quoted as saying that the laws of physics must not have existed during the time of the Big Bang. What then did exist? Maybe something that is supernatural. If that is true, who says this supernatural being that started the world is not controlling it every second that we speak?
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Why is science so popular if few people truly understand it? Why is it that so many people choose to reject there own religions and join the believers of the scientific method. I have a reason why many people choose to believe in science over other religions. Many people on this board have claimed that science can’t be a religion because it has no rules or customs. People have also claimed that there is no reason for a scientist to lie, but religious leaders would lie for fame and money. Maybe, the reason why science is such a popular religion is because it has no rules or customs. If I were a sinner, members of my religion told me that I was condemned, what is a better religion to turn to than science? Science is a popular religion because it requires its believers to do absolutely nothing.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
You don’t think gravity is made up. Did you ever see "the force" between to objects with your own eyes? Scientists have made up quite a few things.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Religious people can drastically redefine gravity. Try my theory of little spirits keeping people on the floor. You can clearly see that the scientist have used there imagination to describe why people stick to the floor. If they were religious they might have attributed this phenomenon to spirits. For some reason spirits are not scientific but an unknown "force" is.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Now you claim to see things that don't even reflect light. How can you claim to have seen the "FORCE".
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
The question you have to ask yourself is how much do you involve yourself in science and how religious are you? Many people on this board claim to be religious and scientific. I challenge you people who claim to be religious and scientific. How much do you really believe in your religion? Did you contact your religious leader before you decided to study science? If you do study religion and you are a firm believer in your religion, how much do you really believe in your science? It is obvious that one can not truly believe in his religion and firmly believe in science.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
You can look at my first post in this thread to answer your question.
If I have not already explained my point, most religions don't believe in a creator that disappeared. Probably all religions believe that the creator is also the one who controls. People who believe in a supernatural creator believe that this being can do whatever he wants to this world. With the scientific "Law" of gravity, there exists a blatant question. How does this supernatural being control the world which is completely governed by natural laws? What if you threw your pen to the floor and this supernatural being did not wish it to fall? Using scientific principles, how can this task be accomplished. However, if one believes that there is no such force, and everything is held to the floor solely on the will of the creator, it is obvious how he could accomplish this task. Scientific principles would never allow for any supernatural being to ever take control of the natural course of events. Therefore, science does not fit in with any religion and it must be its own religion.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
How can one know the rules that govern his religion without contacting an expert in that religion. Did you know that every religion has at least one law that is not easily explained. For example, almost every religion limits the foods which one is allowed to eat. To be part of any religion you can't just act with your common sense. If you do, how do you know what you are allowed to eat and what you are not allowed to eat? To answer your question about deists, they are part of a religion which does not believe in any religious leaders or religious laws. There religion requires one to act based on their own will. Science can be considered a religion that closely resembles the religion of the deists. To answer your last question, religious leaders go through many years of intense training under other religious leaders who carry the long lasting tradition. Every religious leader is required to be well versed in his own religion and he is then able to pass on the tradition to the next generation.
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