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iceage 
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Message 13 of 313 (381153)
01-30-2007 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Open MInd
01-29-2007 11:49 PM


Re: Some misunderstandings about religion.
Openmind writes:
Maybe the entire universe is rotating around Earth?
Ya sure boss. I have a device that detects the earths rotation rate of 15 degrees per hour. But maybe god is just faking out the the rate gyro's.
And maybe there really is intelligent falling and gravity is just a godly delusion to keep things orderly.
Kinja
It is a wonder that we can send probes to Mar's when we have the wrong frame of reference.

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iceage 
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Message 109 of 313 (382098)
02-03-2007 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Rob
02-03-2007 1:56 AM


Re: Yes... science is a religion
rob writes:
It is like this... You can meet Him for yourself if you want to. He opens eyes, He doesn't shut them.
Let's only hope he opens your eyes.
Now that your back to intend to intimidate those who challenge you, by mentioning the firearms you own?
Bring on that ole time religion....
Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

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iceage 
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Message 114 of 313 (382110)
02-03-2007 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Rob
02-03-2007 11:09 AM


Re: Yes... science is a religion
rob writes:
If you take the time to recall accurately, I said that "I had let my concealed weapons permit expire.. because I do not need it anymore.
Go back and read the context, Rob. It did not follow from the discussion or the prior paragraphs. It was a complete non-sequiter and akin to flashing a weapon in a road rage incident. Why was the specification of the weapon necessary? Why did you mentioning after calling kurescu a "Punk"?
Sorry all for the diversion. I will not follow this thread any more.
Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

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iceage 
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Message 118 of 313 (382121)
02-03-2007 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by ringo
02-03-2007 12:01 PM


Re: Science has less questions and less answers
Ringo writes:
Religion is routinely wrong about everything in science. More importantly, it stays wrong - often defiantly wrong. Science is self-correcting - religion is not.
This really sums it up.
The self-correcting mechanism of science is really an under appreciated quality.
The system places a very high value on finding a new theory or explanation that better explains the world. The individual(s) that proposes a new theory maybe originally ostracized by the established community but in the end if the theory is found irrefutable they are granted hero status. Religion on the other hand, has a tendency to label its iconoclast as heretics and burns them at the stake or excommunicates.
Science corrects for human fallibility, while religion builds a foundation on it.
Science is like an airplane that navigates on autopilot to a destination. The control system continuously corrects its path along the way. You could say that vehicle is always in error but in the average along the course it stays close to the true path.
Religion is like setting the control surfaces (ailerons) to a calculated position based on the present data and then freeze them into that position (canonization) for the remainder of the trip. The vehicle of course begins to veer of course and never even comes close to the truth.

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iceage 
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Message 121 of 313 (382132)
02-03-2007 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Rob
02-03-2007 12:16 PM


Re: Science has less questions and less answers
Rob writes:
science does not cover metaphysical ground.
No it just relentlessly continues to reduce its domain. At one time all was metaphysics. The annual seasons, sickness, rainbows, the stars (heavens) were metaphysics.
rob writes:
But metaphysical ground is a reality. That's what quantum mechanics is all about. A vein of science you and so many others insist on ignoring or dismissing.
Quantum mechanics is a fundamental branch of science, not religion - keep that in mind.
Please identify those that ignore the implications, insights or value of Quantum Mechanics.
Sorry but religion cannot lay claim or seek refuge within the realm of Quantum Mechanics.

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iceage 
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Message 126 of 313 (382163)
02-03-2007 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Rob
02-03-2007 1:40 PM


Re: Science has less questions and less answers
I will read your links when I have time later, they sound interesting.
Rob writes:
But your right really, no-one can seek refuge in science.
No I said that religion cannot seek refuge in "spooky" Quantum Mechanics. I did not say we should seek refuge in science. You twist my meaning around.
Rob writes:
We just have to admit that we are terribly mistaken.
But we can't have that can we iceage? You know your not wrong.
I make no claims of infallibility. I know I am often wrong.
Furthermore I have no problem admitting I don't know and cannot even know the full nature of reality. I accept the uncertainty and mystery.
It takes humility to say, "I don’t know." On the other hand, "true believers" who paradoxically include humility as part of their religion, are reluctant to admit that they don’t know, and make aggressive proclamations of knowing the truth.
Such self-serving certainty of knowing things you cannot know, opposes humility.

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