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ringo
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Message 46 of 60 (381253)
01-30-2007 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Greatest I am
01-30-2007 10:05 AM


God?
Greatest I am writes:
... we at this point in time do not know if we can understand the universe without God's help.
Nor do we know if there is a God to help us.
The question is, "How do you prove you are God?" Making God more mysterious doesn't improve His credibility. To prove His identity, He would first have to prove His existence, and He would have to do it in a way that we can understand.
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Malachi-II
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Message 47 of 60 (381456)
01-31-2007 4:35 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by ringo
01-30-2007 12:08 PM


Re: God?
Ringo writes:
The question is, "How do you prove you are God?" Making God more mysterious doesn't improve His credibility. To prove His identity, He would first have to prove His existence, and He would have to do it in a way that we can understand.
Answer this. Why should any God HAVE to PROVE anything to mortals?

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Message 48 of 60 (381465)
01-31-2007 7:28 AM
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01-31-2007 4:35 AM


Re: God?
Malachi
Why should any God HAVE to PROVE anything to mortals?
Not one damn reason at all. And in a world where no God exists we can expect the same lack of participation on their part as well.
However,I believe the question in the OP must assume that the God try to prove its existence eh?

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Message 49 of 60 (381467)
01-31-2007 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by sidelined
01-31-2007 7:28 AM


Re: God?
Rob,in the O.P. writes:
The question for this thread is:
What would a man have to do to prove that He is God, or equal to God?
I dunno....walk on Water? (I do it all the time when it snows)
sidelined writes:
And in a world where no God exists we can expect the same lack of participation on their part as well.
Lets again discuss the Dance. For those who do believe in God, my question is this: Are we simply involved in a great Dance of electrons as worlds collide and life passes in front of our eyes as a vapor in the wind?
Should our focus simply be to do the best darn job possible on a daily basis regardless if we feel the tug of age nipping at our heels and regardless if our kid has his IPOD turned up and doesn't want to give us the time of day?
The universe is a great stage....our world is all we truly know....and death awaits all of us.
What for we do the dance, sidelined?

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Message 50 of 60 (381469)
01-31-2007 7:48 AM
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01-31-2007 7:39 AM


Re: God?
Phat
What for we do the dance, sidelined?
For the amusement it brings I would imagine Phat

"The world is so exquisite, with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better, it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look Death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides." - Carl Sagan, Billions and Billions

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Malachi-II
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Message 51 of 60 (381476)
01-31-2007 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by sidelined
01-31-2007 7:28 AM


Re: God?
Okay, Rob asks:
What would a man have to do to prove that He is God, or equal to God?
Then sidelined replies to my question: "Not one damn reason at all."
Sidelined then says:
However,I believe the question in the OP must assume that the God try to prove its existence eh?
Why must one ASSUME anything? How can "sidelined" or "Rob", or "Ringo" prove THEY exist? Words appear on a monitor, apparently written by an intelligent being with a command of the language, but what proof is there that contributors to this Forum exist?
We know that air exists because our bodies could not survive without oxygen. What does that prove? Diddly poop! I can't 'see' the air I breathe, but I absolutely know that I would quickly drop dead if it wasn't there. NOW - the question we should all be asking ourselves is this: Does the air we breathe know, or give a damn, that we exist (according to our understanding)? If NOT, then is that proof of our nonexistence? Or simply a more deeply philosophical question in our search for knowledge?
The follow on question - it seems to this questionable entity - is: "If God exists, like oxygen, why MUST HE prove to anyone that He exists? Hummmm?

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Message 52 of 60 (381480)
01-31-2007 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by ringo
01-30-2007 12:08 PM


Re: God?
God cannot prove His existence without miracles. He cannot do it with words alone it seems.
He does do miracles even today if you consider communication via telepathy a miracle. And even then, the recipient questions. The message is everything.
I know of no other.
Regards
DL

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Message 53 of 60 (381486)
01-31-2007 9:23 AM
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01-31-2007 8:20 AM


Re: God?
We know that air exists because our bodies could not survive without oxygen. What does that prove? Diddly poop!
No, it proves there is oxygen on earth.
If there exists no oxygen, Malachi-II couldn't survive.
Malachi-II is alive.
Therefore, oxygen exists. Denying the consequent.

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God Z6
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Message 54 of 60 (488273)
11-09-2008 12:08 PM
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01-13-2007 1:08 PM


How would I know I was me unless I could prove it to myself.
Hello all your probely thinking not a nother nut imposter -- but I am going to prove to you I am God, if you read my biogrophy on hear and make the effort to view my website http://www.chaospacks.me.uk -- If you do you will find i use numbers as an indication of my control over the Unsean force-- especaily "27" -- if your still thinking nut think KP you have heard of them -- K is the 11th & P the 16th letter of the alphabet together they make 27.
Now please open your eyes to my devine hand in this thread as it began at 01-13-2007 06:08 PM 1+1+3+2+7+6+8 = 28 the prime factors of this perfect number are 2X2X7 making this perfect number a prime 27 resonator.
Things most people don't know
The Bible was writen by an Angel
Before Lucifer fell out of good graces in Heaven his compasion for Humanity couldn't be riveled by any of the other Angels.
- After he witnessed the Hand in fury cause death he wanted Humans to life there life with guidence to protect them from stepping out of line and facing a "Quick End".
I think the reason for not giving us rules is that Humans have an inherent nature to break free from restricions break rules --- so if none are set there are no lines to cross there inherent praise to receive peace will prevail.
Lucifer loving humanity was scared for them - he felt that he needed to go to there salvation and desided to directly guide Humanity to the path of ritiousness no matter the consequence.
His desire to say Humanity lead to his disition to fall in defiance.
when he arived he had not antsapated the reaction Humans to his universal knoledge, "tools" & even his silver cloud that he was seen getting in and out of going from place to place handing out his "Books" of guidlines
He had told people of the "consiquences" > things about God smites those that don't live their life corectley.
After some time men tried to war with him - out of envey - that he had taught them is a line not to cross in his guidline Books, he turned them to dust with his "tools"
After this forced show of power - Humans then came to the conclusion the Lusifer was God because he was the one that smited the rule breakers - this was all causing tention in Heaven amongst some of his pears- because they felt envyious that they to were not worshiped so others Angle headed to Earth in defiance.
Where as Lucifers motivation was honerable and selfless to start with -- the other motivation was to covet -- it was just want want want -- they were warned of the consequences but thought it better to reigne then to serve
At first there was a World wide Eutopia - but its didn't last.
Even though Humans worshiped Lucifer as a God he told them not to becaue he is one of Gods Children just like them. The others did the oposite and seperated around the World and forced Humans to worship them as Gods.
The other Angels and grew angree with Lucifer for not playing along, Lucifer was ganged up against by the other Angels.
They killed him publicly and ritualisticly, along his folowers.
After destroying them - whent about tainting his name and made if an object of desgust and made his worship punishable by death.
---
You don't belive that well
Ok imagine you were me and you designed the functionality of the human psyche- you would know what actions triggered what chemicals which would result in multiple sensations of consciousness. In your design you had faith that eventually people would be guided through their own paths of personal trails to a Glorious state of mind.
Creation of free will is to see what happens - to then give a load of regulations to live by is not my style, however we all have our internal rule book and if we follow it we feel good and progress to the final chapter knowing how and why we got there and perhaps would feel happiest teaching the lessons to the impressionable in our community so they don’t make the same mistakes we made that triggered such chemicals as “Remorse & Regret”
People would do this and then eventually it would be written but it would be the word of Humans of Humans.
edit 11:10 I ment to type the word of Humans for Humans - Humanity would be better to say.
The elements of Reality that would be meaningless to one person could mean life to the next.
Our perceptions are built on attributes we ascribe to things - and things we are aware of act like dots in a dot-to-dot puzzle. The picture however is picked by your imagination ( all of our non motor or repeated actions we imagine before carrying them out) Our Imaginations is the effect of Free Will and it shapes our lives.
The process of Imagination to Manifestation I will always find amazing.
simply speaking You water My seed by expressing your freedom to think something you've never thought - a sprout comes out and tickles your subconscious-
Your Subconscious assesses the feasibility of your ideas and if they are not plausible the move to memory stores but if they are feasible the idea multiplies Asexually in to two identical "ideas"- one is transferred back in to your conscious mind which enable you to keep thing about it and planning how to bring it to life. The part that staid with your subconscious is then imprinted with a number by Almighty Me - and it is then your subconscious’s job to find the corresponding number in the Chao Pool - This number is the reality code for your idea - once the reality code has been attained by your subconscious it then has all it need to Build the reality your I idea can live in.
If the reality Code is not attained the subconscious my return without it, sometimes this leads to a loss of mental stability, sometimes people don’t bring there idea to life and there subconscious puts them in the ideas reality without it - some time both consciousnesses don't achieve what they set out to and life remains as it was as does reality.
Charlie.
God.

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Message 55 of 60 (488280)
11-09-2008 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by God Z6
11-09-2008 12:08 PM


Re: How would I know I was me unless I could prove it to myself.
quote:
Hello all your probely thinking not a nother nut imposter -- but I am going to prove to you I am God, if you read my biogrophy on hear and make the effort to view my website http://www.chaospacks.me.uk -- If you do you will find i use numbers as an indication of my control over the Unsean force-- especaily "27" -- if your still thinking nut think KP you have heard of them -- K is the 11th & P the 16th letter of the alphabet together they make 27.
Well, for starters, I wouldn't expect god to make 10 simple grammatical and spelling errors in one paragraph. But maybe I'm expecting too much from a supreme being.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 56 of 60 (488282)
11-09-2008 2:19 PM
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11-09-2008 1:26 PM


Re: How would I know I was me unless I could prove it to myself.
He's also kinda bad at math for God.
GZ6 writes:
Now please open your eyes to my devine hand in this thread as it began at 01-13-2007 06:08 PM 1+1+3+2+7+6+8 = 28
1+13+2007+6+8=2015 Zero still is a number and a place holder correct?
I also love the inconsistancy in the thinking. First GZ6 expresses that it is just an idea about what God did.
GZ6 writes:
I think the reason for not giving us rules is that Humans have an inherent nature to break free from restricions break rules
Meaning he/she is referring to another entity. Than go on to claim the whole idea as their own work
GZ6 writes:
Ok imagine you were me and you designed the functionality of the human psyche
Very inconsistent for God. No all that was proven is that, anyone with an imagination and some free time gets to say whatever they want.
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Larni
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Message 57 of 60 (488284)
11-09-2008 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by God Z6
11-09-2008 12:08 PM


How do I subscribe?
Your idea appeal to me: what are the practical applications?
You could follow the advice above and fix the spelling and maybe format your post a bit more as this will prevent people from taking you seriously.
Edited by Larni, : Friendly advice.

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Message 58 of 60 (488290)
11-09-2008 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by God Z6
11-09-2008 12:08 PM


Re: How would I know I was me unless I could prove it to myself.
This is going to be a monstrous task, but I'm going to do it anyway.
God Z6 writes:
Hello all your probely thinking not a nother nut imposter
Yes. Well, apparently you can read minds, that's +1 point for you. But, you made a spelling error, so that's -1 point
- but I am going to prove to you I am God, if you read my biogrophy on hear and make the effort to view my website http://www.chaospacks.me.uk
Spelling mistakes are not something a perfect god would do. But, I'll forgive these and any future mistakes, and only subtract the point in the first paragraph. Yes, I'm too kind.
If you do you will find i use numbers as an indication of my control over the Unsean force-- especaily "27"
Well, that should be interesting.
if your still thinking nut think KP you have heard of them
No I haven't, could you elaborate?
K is the 11th & P the 16th letter of the alphabet together they make 27.
Ah! So you use silly maths, sorry, that's -1 again.
Now please open your eyes to my devine hand in this thread as it began at 01-13-2007 06:08 PM 1+1+3+2+7+6+8 = 28
Which is not 27. So, even when using silly maths, you still end up wrong, I'm going to deduct a point again. -1
the prime factors of this perfect number are 2X2X7 making this perfect number a prime 27 resonator.
That would be 227 then, wouldn't it, no reason to leave out the first 2. Ah wait, I forgot, silly maths again, all right, I'll let this one slide.
Things most people don't know
This means you're going to make stuff up, doesn't it.
The Bible was writen by an Angel
Yes, it does. For being able to see into the future, I award myself 1 point.
Before Lucifer fell out of good graces in Heaven his compasion for Humanity couldn't be riveled by any of the other Angels.
Uhm, wasn't the reason god loved men more than angels he rebelled against him? So, it doesn't seem he loved men much at all. So, -1 again, sorry.
- After he witnessed the Hand in fury cause death he wanted Humans to life there life with guidence to protect them from stepping out of line and facing a "Quick End".
Of course, you have this all from a reliable source you can point to. Oh wait, you don't. Ah well, -1.
I think the reason for not giving us rules is that Humans have an inherent nature to break free from restricions break rules --- so if none are set there are no lines to cross there inherent praise to receive peace will prevail.
You THINK, in other words, you don't know, not very god-like. -1.
Lucifer loving humanity was scared for them - he felt that he needed to go to there salvation and desided to directly guide Humanity to the path of ritiousness no matter the consequence.
That's all very nice and stuff, but I won't let your misspelling of the word righteousness pass, it's just too horrible. -1
His desire to say Humanity lead to his disition to fall in defiance.
He wanted to say the word humanity, and this let to his fall.... You guessed it! -1.
when he arived he had not antsapated the reaction Humans to his universal knoledge, "tools" & even his silver cloud that he was seen getting in and out of going from place to place handing out his "Books" of guidlines
A silver cloud? Sounds like a spaceship. And since aliens obviously aren't angels, that's another subtraction for you. -1
He had told people of the "consiquences" > things about God smites those that don't live their life corectley.
Did he show evidence for this as well? Doesn't look like it. But all right, you get a pass here.
The rest of this part I'll skip, it's just a fanciful story you made up, so I'll just give you a -1 for the entire section, showing once again what a great guy I am.
You don't belive that well
Hmm, another reading of the minds? Well done! +1.
Ok imagine you were me and you designed the functionality of the human psyche
I would have made it a whole lot simpler, that's for sure. And since I can think of a a way to make it better, I'll give you -1, and myself +1.
you would know what actions triggered what chemicals which would result in multiple sensations of consciousness.
If I had made it, I would make sure it was so easy, everyone could figure it out. But, since this is technically the same as above, you get a pass.
In your design you had faith that eventually people would be guided through their own paths of personal trails to a Glorious state of mind.
No, I wouldn't have faith, I'd know it for sure. Since this is just faulty logic, -1 again.
Creation of free will is to see what happens - to then give a load of regulations to live by is not my style, however we all have our internal rule book and if we follow it we feel good and progress to the final chapter knowing how and why we got there and perhaps would feel happiest teaching the lessons to the impressionable in our community so they don’t make the same mistakes we made that triggered such chemicals as “Remorse & Regret”
Unfortunately for you, we don't have a "universal rule book" embedded in our conscience. There are people out there who have very twisted ideas, we call them psychopaths. That's -1.
People would do this and then eventually it would be written but it would be the word of Humans of Humans.
Which contradicts what you wrote in the beginnig of your post which was: "The Bible was writen by an Angel". And this gets you....You guessed it! -1.
edit 11:10 I ment to type the word of Humans for Humans - Humanity would be better to say.
You say you edited it, yet there is no sign of any editing of this post....Since that's just plain weird, -1.
The elements of Reality that would be meaningless to one person could mean life to the next.
Yes, wow, you actually get a point again. +1.
Our perceptions are built on attributes we ascribe to things - and things we are aware of act like dots in a dot-to-dot puzzle.
And going straight into the weird stuff again. -1.
The picture however is picked by your imagination ( all of our non motor or repeated actions we imagine before carrying them out) Our Imaginations is the effect of Free Will and it shapes our lives.
Got nothing to say about this one, mainly because I don't really understand what you are saying. So you get a pass.
The process of Imagination to Manifestation I will always find amazing.
Yet you designed it. Meaning you should know what it does. Meaning it shouldn't really be amazing to you. Meaning -1.
simply speaking You water My seed by expressing your freedom to think something you've never thought - a sprout comes out and tickles your subconscious-
So, now you're like a plant in my brain?....Since I'm so kind and all, another pass, this is the last one though!
Your Subconscious assesses the feasibility of your ideas and if they are not plausible the move to memory stores but if they are feasible the idea multiplies Asexually in to two identical "ideas"- one is transferred back in to your conscious mind which enable you to keep thing about it and planning how to bring it to life.
You are actually saying ideas multiply asexually? -1.
The part that staid with your subconscious is then imprinted with a number by Almighty Me - and it is then your subconscious’s job to find the corresponding number in the Chao Pool - This number is the reality code for your idea - once the reality code has been attained by your subconscious it then has all it need to Build the reality your I idea can live in.
.....Yes, of course....
If the reality Code is not attained the subconscious my return without it, sometimes this leads to a loss of mental stability, sometimes people don’t bring there idea to life and there subconscious puts them in the ideas reality without it - some time both consciousnesses don't achieve what they set out to and life remains as it was as does reality.
Seems my initial thought was right, you are a loony. So, -10 for that. And +10 for me for getting it right.
Which brings us to a total score of:
You: -24
Me: +12
Seems to me like I'm more of a god then you. Ah well, better luck next time.
(Disclaimer: This was done just for laughs, if you take this seriously, go seek help)

I hunt for the truth

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Message 59 of 60 (488358)
11-10-2008 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Huntard
11-09-2008 3:40 PM


Re: How would I know I was me unless I could prove it to myself.
Disclaimer: This was done just for laughs, if you take this seriously, go seek help
What? But it.....all seemed so.....real...

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Message 60 of 60 (488444)
11-11-2008 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Huntard
11-09-2008 3:40 PM


Re: How would I know I was me unless I could prove it to myself.
Hi Huntard,
Spelling mistakes are not something a perfect god would do.
How do we know that the way we spell things are correct? If God spells it,
quote:
Hello all your probely thinking not a nother nut imposter
Then that is the way you spell it. Who are we to question God, right?
The same would go for mathematics, if God say it is so the way he factored it, then it is so the way He did it. You are the one who is wrong. Thats the power of omnipotence, right?
Lol, ok enough hypocrisies for me in one day, I'll go back to bashing politics now...

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"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
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