Lying For Jesus Award

The long and short of it is, catholic troll, that if you don't think what I say has any worth, and you think it is ridiculous, then you have two choices:You can1) Rationally, factually, and logically explain why you think what I say is worthless and ridiculous, or2) Ignore my posts.Trolling me doesn't show anybody, least of all me, the ridiculousness or worthlessness of what I write, if it is worthless and ridiculous.It just shows that you are dismissive of what I write without actually bothering to provide any argument.I'm sorry if you had a bad day at work or whatever, but that doesn't give you any right to treat me this way.

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It is totally amazing to me that you would think otherwise.
Makes me wonder. Jesus forgave those who crucified Him, and they didn't repent.

Falwell is lying for Jesus. Coulter is lying for conservative Republicanism. Woo Suk Hwang (he of stem cell research fraud) was lying for science. I think you'll find liars in all fields of human endeavor.Forgiveness is not an issue. Forgiveness is about ourselves and to what degree we have not hardened our hearts against those who have sinned and trespassed against us. Because forgiveness is about ourselves, it cannot be about the liars we forgive, and so it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, liars for Christ. Further, forgiveness is about forgiving the sinner, not the sin. We must always condemn sin. We must never forgive sin.Falwell evidently believes that if a lie brings someone to the Lord, then that is a good thing. Pat Robertson isn't far behind in this. Evangelists like Benny Hinn and Leroy Jenkins are over the top in this regard, not only emphasizing faith over truth and money over ethics, but actively taking advantage of people's faith in God, ignorance of science and personal anxiety about their health to further their own causes. And the faithful are often complicit in their own swindle, in many cases needing no charismatic charlatan to take them in, as witness Lourdes.Coulter is precisely like Falwell in that she believes lies in the name of the Republican cause are a good thing if they help the Republican party stay in power. As a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, a few years ago at the library I opened one of Coulter's books (I've forgotten which one) to see if it contained any good arguments for or against any political positions I hold. Before the end of the first chapter she'd already outraged me several times with outrageous (sorry to be repetitive) assertions on positions I agreed with her about! I've never read a word by her since. There's a way to make Coulter go away, folks: ignore her.Woo Suk Hwang lied for science, using fabricated data in a series of papers on his stem cell research.Now let's examine what has happened to Falwell, Coulter and Hwang.Falwell is as powerful as ever.Coulter's influence has only increased over the past few years.Hwang is out of science and may possibly never work in his chosen field again.While there are likely media and other influences at work, the significant point is that the lying scientist is ostracized, while the lying evangelist and the lying political hack are not. My own interpretation is that this is a credit to science, and is critically damning to religion and politics. It is probably why I'm not a member of any organized religion or political party, and why I believe no one else should be either, as least not of any of the large established ones.So to anyone out there who has been defending Falwell or Hinn or Robertson or any of the other liars for Christ both past and present (Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, Kent Hovind, how many pages would a full list take?): give it up. Bring credit upon yourself and your religion by forthrightly and unconditionally condemning their behavior. Pray for them that they may find the true spirit of the Lord.--Percy

You neglected to quote the most important part. I also said:

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Let's see you do more of that around here.

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Don't be amazed. Don't wonder. Don't be so defensive. Stand up and speak out for what you believe in, here where you have a voice.Instead of arguing against me, speak out against those guys. Then there won't be any more confusion about whether or not you condone what they do.

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1. Perhaps if you would cite Falwell's lies some of us who are unaware of them could confront him with them.2. I see this thread as your classic fundamentalist Christian bashing fora. All ideologies have their good folks and some not so good. Why is it that it is the fundi Christians who are so often bashed as if it was them who downed the Twin Towers, strapped bombs to themselves to kill hundres of innocents, enslave and oppress minority religions, killed a hundred million of their own last century, Attacked Pearl Harbor, killed 6 mil Jews, killed, tortured and oppressed during the Dark Ages, et al, al?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

I already do, as do I with other things I do not support.Your missing my point, and that is, I can speak out against them, as I do, but I cannot tell them what they can and cannot say. All I can do is protest.Tell me, should I also be speaking out against other religions as well?

Clean house within Christianity first.Once we educate all the pastors and clergy, expose all the conmen Televangelists and other crooks, then perhaps it is worth looking outside.

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Its a legitimate strategy! Yes sir, sorry sir.

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enslave and oppress minority religions
killed a hundred million of their own last century
killed 6 mil Jews
tortured and oppressed during the Dark Ages

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it was. But I think you've missed Percy's point completely.

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Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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Extend that to groups as well as to individuals. "Why beholdest thou the mote that is in the Muslim's eye or the Hindu's eye, but considerest not the beam in the Christian's eye?"

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I'm curious about something. While I was in college, I saw plenty of christian protests against gays and such on our campus. Never once did I see any christian protest against the bigotted christians or the televangelist conmen. There usually was a student protest countering these protesting christians. And guess what, all of these student protesters were either gay or atheist students. In other words, not once did the student christian groups speak out against these "other christians".I drive by many church signs everday. Why is it that I always see bigotted church signs rather than signs against bigotry or televangelist conmen?Why is it that christians like you always say that you speak out and protest against religious conmen and yet I've never actually see any example? Or is this one of those silent majority thing again?It's not that I'm saying all you christians are bad. What I'm saying is from my perspective as an outsider it seems like 99% of christianity agree with all the crap televangelists preach and the other 1% always proclaim that there is a "silent majority" out there.

Again and again this matter of bigotry comes up as if it were some kind of natural law. But I have to say that "bigotry" regarding homosexuals is vastly a matter of opinion in America. By the same measure, one could say that those who oppose polygamy are bigots, too. I'd give this bigotry blaming business a rest.”Hoot Mon

So, in other words, you support the christians that go around from city to city and campus to campus protesting against non-christians?The main point isn't about bigotry against gays. The main point is how come I never see christian protests against televangelist conmen and their ilk? How come the only protests I ever see christians do are protests against gays and non-christians? How come I never see words like "love thy neighbor" or "beware of false prophets" on church boards? How come I always see words like "gays go to hell" and all that shit on church boards?I'm speaking as an outsider. Even though people from time to time say that "we're not all like that", it sure looks to me like 99% of you ARE like that.

Well I think it's easy to answert that.They prioritize.On one side we have our own brother that might be a little bit off track
On the other side we have heaten and eviiiiiiiil people!So once they take care of all the evvvviiiiillllll (gays, muslim, buddhists, lesbian, atheist, agnostic, mormont, evolutionist, hinduism, people that have sex before marriage, people that doens't marry, unbaptised man and women, heathen, my neighboor, every piece of science that doesn't agree with the bible........etc) then I truly believe that they would start silencing there brothers..the one that took a wrong turn somewhere.