Because The Bible Tells Me So

I'm curious, phat. Just about every fundamentalist here thinks that the extermination of the Cannanites (men and women, young and old) was just and right. Just about every fundamentalist here thinks homosexuality is evil and that gay people should not be allowed the same benefits as the rest of us. Just about every fundamentalist here thinks that scientists are dumbasses and that a quick google search allows you to speak authoritively on disciplines that take people decades to learn.I fail to see the significance of this thread.In fact, we don't even have to look at current issues. Just look at some of our more popular examples from the past. Every time in our history when society was facing a change, like women's suffrage, civil rights, abolition, etc., the fundamentalists always said that the end of the world was coming and if women, blacks, etc. were allowed to vote god would bring his/her/its wrath upon this nation and rain down fire and brimstone.What good is all this biblical moral high ground bullshit if the followers of this biblical moral high ground bullshit keep trying to oppress other people with their biblical moral high ground bullshit?

I'm a bit puzzled on this. So, based on what you said, would you agree that it was the right thing for christians to have captured non-christians from africa and civilize or "free the captives" by enslaving them and teaching them the word of god? Was it a right thing for christians to have driven the natives of the Americas almost to extinction to "free the captives" from their non-christianness?I'm sorry, I'm not a poetic person at all. I tend to read things directly rather than try to drown the other person in obscurity. Not necessarily. I'm an atheist and I haven't raped or murdered anyone. But history have clearly shown us that these so-called clear guidlines also changes over time. It was the christian thing to burn witches at the stake. It was the christian thing to hang witches a salem. It was the christian thing to consider non-christian subhuman. It was the christian thing to bring about the white man's burden.What you state as "clear guidelines" are exactly like any other form of moral guideline. Every moral guideline that's ever existed either changes over time or simply disappear. Was it a christian thing for the crusaders to kill every man, woman, and child who inhabited Jerusalem before the first crusade?I simply don't know why you would claim, or imply, that there is such a thing as a christian guideline that is unchangeble. We feel obligated to point out everytime one of you do something against what you preach is because christianity is currently a very powerful force in the richest and most powerful nation in the world and it continues to seek out new groups of people to oppress.Rock 'n Roll used to be music of the devil, remember? All homosexuals used to be pedophiles, remember? God used to not want women to vote, remember?But the main reason why we point out everytime one of you do something counter to biblical claim is because on other issues "the bible says so" seem to be your only defense. Quite simply, people like me are quite tired of seeing christians try to use their own holy book to legitimize their own personal agenda and prejudice. If you think women are only good in bed, just say so. Why drag the bible into it? Yes, and our own set of morals are very simple. While they vary from person to person, my own moral is to always use common human decency on others. If I am straight and married to a wonderful woman, I absolutely don't see any reason why I should go out of my way to make sure that gay people can't get the same happiness and benefits as I take for granted. I mean, it really has absolutely nothing to do with me. It's not like I'm going to start shooting people for fun if gay people are allowed to get married.Common human decency tells me that people of other races and cultures are people, too, and should be treated with respect. CHD tells me that if someone needs help, I ought to help him. CHD tells me that hanging people because some self-hating teenager decided to go on a power trip and accuses people of witch craft is simply wrong. CHD tells me that going to other lands and forcefully destroy other people's cultures and convert them to my own beliefs is so obviously wrong. In fact, CHD tells me that since I know nothing about geology that I should keep my mouth shut when people are talking about geology.Now, let's look at all the above examples from a christian perspective. A christian would help another person to buy a ticket into heaven. Either that or they don't want to burn in hell. Because of a few accusations of witchcraft, over a dozen innocent people were hanged by otherwise good christians. Just how many valuable artifacts and monuments have been destroyed so the local people could be converted to christianity? And let's not forget this very EvC debate that we have. Do you know how many times I've cringed my teeth because a christian have decided that a single google search would make him smarter and more knowledgable than the rest of us?These christian guidelines you speak of have done nothing to protect the rest of us from the christian majority. If anything, minority groups have always had to struggle for their "godgiven rights" without the support of the major churches. Sorry, I'm more left-brain person than right brain. Could you be kind enough to translate what you wrote there to something less... nonsensical? It's not you. It's me. I consider myself handicapped when it comes to all this poetic bullshit.

Well, you were the one that claimed there are specific christian guidelines and that you implied these guidelines are perfect. Salem is an example of a christian community following your christian guidelines and killed innocent people. Also, I'd hardly call Europe a small town during the inquisition.Your Stalin example would make more sense if I make a claim that there is an "atheist" guideline to morality that is perfect. But as you can see, people like me make no such claim. You should look up Sicut Dudum, Dum Diversas, and Sublimis Deus. Read them (or read about them) and tell me what you think. Sure. It was the idea that the white man has the burden to "educate" the rest of the world our superior way of life, speicifically our religion (christianity) by enslaving other races and telling them that if they obey their white masters they will be rewarded in heaven. Oh, so we still can't eat shellfish? What about wearing clothing made of different types of fabrics? The shirt I am wearing now is made of cotton and polyester. Am I going to hell for it? I'm not talking about the reason(s) behind the crusades. Do you or do you not agree that every man, woman, and child inhabiting the city of Jerusalem were slain by the christian crusaders during the first crusade? If so, then you've admitted that the christian guidelines you've referred to didn't seem to stop the crusaders from killing tens of thousands of innocents. What make you think these guidelines are going to make people good these days? Ok... so, am I going to hell for wearing clothing made of different types of fabric? Oh, sure. First, it was the heathens. Then the jews. After Oliver Cromwell took over, the irish catholics were oppressed. Then the wise women were burned at the stake for witch craft. Then the muslims.Fast forward in time.Africans were regarded as subhuman (read the 3 I cited above) and enslaved. Then they were emancipated but they were still segregated. Then god didn't want them to be equal. Then god didn't want women to vote. Then Rock 'n Roll became the music of the devil.Now, the gays are targeted by christians. Please don't even try to deny this. I've read enough church signs about how evil the gays are. Again, it was an example, out of many, that this so-called christian moral guideline thingy is far from perfect.Would you, then, call yourself a fringe christian for opposing evilution while advocating a world wide flood that left behind absolutely no evidence?Look, we don't have to look far to see what I've been saying. Remember Rob? Your christian guidelines didn't seem to stop him from talking about things he knew nothing about. If anything, there should be a passage in the bible that forbids people from talking out of their asses to save the rest of us some dentist money... people like me cringe everytime we see something like this. You really want me to start citing the same bible passages people used back in the old days to justify their unwillingness to see women as equal? Oh? Such as...? Um... jesus didn't come up with the golden rule. It existed long before jesus was ever born. And no, jesus did not invent the internet either. Hey, I used to be one of you. But don't take my word for it. Check out the following link.I know what you are saying, but clearly christians aren't really doing what the bible says, like love thy neighbor and fucking leave the gays alone. Hmmm, I wonder what happened to all those mesoamericans after the spanish came... Your friend buzsaw doesn't seem to agree with you on this. Unfortunately... what happened to the first amendment? No problem. I have a feeling that that paragraph was just more evangelical stuff anyway.Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given.