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Author Topic:   Did the sky really go dark as biblical inerrantists insist?
Juraikken
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Message 93 of 113 (395268)
04-15-2007 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
08-11-2006 7:03 AM


isolated event
i believe that this was an isolated event that it only occured in the area Chrsit was crucified.
when they also say that an earthquake happened does that mean the entire earth shook? no, just that place.
the sun was darkened yeah, when clouds come over the sun it gets dark then too.

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Juraikken
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From: Winnetka, CA
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Message 95 of 113 (395297)
04-15-2007 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by nator
04-15-2007 10:25 PM


Re: isolated event
i know that the romans were good record-keepers, but think about it, why was evidence for Jesus so scarce? do you think they were ashamed of the whole act that they limited the information? i see corruption ALL across the globe today, you believe it not then too?
getting DARK and an OVERCAST could mean the same thing, it also depends on the writers education on writing, or even the language it was written in. who are you getting these verses from? one of the gospels right? well, who were the gospels? some great educator from a great school? no regular ppl maybe some who werent even educated. ME who goes to college didnt even know to use overcasted as the sun went dark lol

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Juraikken
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From: Winnetka, CA
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Message 97 of 113 (395417)
04-16-2007 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by nator
04-16-2007 7:55 AM


Re: isolated event
nator writes:
No, not at all. They crucified people every day.
yes but thats when they found cause in the people, they didnt find cause in Jesus, maybe they were ashamed of that
nator writes:
Yes, they could. But again, does "getting overcast" fit in with the other events of an earthquake and the temple curtain getting torn? Are they of the same scale and magnitude?
you cant rephrase an earthquake.....the ground was shaking? that still means an earthquake happened. and the curtain getting torn you cant rephrase that either! it got torn.
nator writes:
I think, when one looks at the other fantastic events that were supposed to have happened, the writers meant something more remarkable that "it became overcast".
and you are also not putting into consideration that maybe just maybe those other writers were different than that one? that they write differently but means the same thing?

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Juraikken
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From: Winnetka, CA
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Message 99 of 113 (395487)
04-16-2007 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by nator
04-16-2007 6:23 PM


Re: isolated event
nator writes:
Look, you can massage your interpretation all you want.
thats an overstatement
nator writes:
If you want to interpret "darkness over all the land" as "a low pressure front moved in", be my guest.
you assume that writers back then could understand that? putting into consideration the education of that writer passes right over you?
nator writes:
If you want to imagine that the Romans felt shame for crucifying Jesus, even though there's no indication in the bible that they did (or independent sources that Jesus even existed) then go for it.
i admit there was no proof of that, at least to MY knowledge i havent LOOKED for the answers. but i DO admit that there is no proof of that, that is the reason why i said "maybe". but then again a lot of the miracles Jesus did wasnt in Rome, it was out of Rome, so what are the romans to document? and when the pharisees went over to Rome to whine about Jesus they didnt tell them hes bringing peopel alive!!! all they said was "this man is accusing our belief saying he is the messiah" etc.
even the pharisees wish to ignore what miracles Jesus did! you think if they ignored it it would reach Rome's ears happily? no, even when Jesus wasnt even close to Rome when he did miracles.
nator writes:
I'd love to hear your explanation of why all the resurrected dead people roaming the streets were not remarked upon by the Romans, though.
ah well you cant because i dont know much about that, may you please be kind to point out the verse where it says such things? (minus the sarcasm)

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Juraikken
Member (Idle past 6207 days)
Posts: 82
From: Winnetka, CA
Joined: 11-13-2006


Message 101 of 113 (395510)
04-16-2007 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by nator
04-16-2007 7:16 PM


I see....
nator writes:
No, it really isn't. All you've provided is apologetics.
We can add imagined motives or discount certain events all we want throughout the entire text of the Bible; if we can do that here, why not everywhere else?
we do that, but you have to research those authors too! then we can build an understanding of what REALLY happened
nator writes:
Um, Israel was part of the Roman Empire at the time. That's why the Romans were there.
All of Jesus' miracles, if he did them, happened in the Roman Empire, and Romans were in charge of the government.
Pontious Pilate isn't a very Hebrew-sounding name, is it?
my bad =D
nator writes:
Matthew 27:52-53
appeared unto MANY, meaning not everyone saw them...so tell me, if you see a ghost today or a dead person walking, and you went up to the police to say "i saw my grandpa get out of his grave and walk to me!" you think they are going to believe you?
the romans could have marked this as hysteria people were acting out insanities, and/or were grieving over Jesus' death and saw things due to their depression.....they could say THAT and never even record it, cuz i mean its like recording a bee pollinating a flower LOL its rediculous to record

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Juraikken
Member (Idle past 6207 days)
Posts: 82
From: Winnetka, CA
Joined: 11-13-2006


Message 105 of 113 (396208)
04-19-2007 6:27 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by purpledawn
04-17-2007 12:50 PM


Re: Saints Came to Life
ive noticed that both Mark and Luke dont have the earth shaking involved in their text. BUT they both have that centaurion talkin in their texts instead, maybe they didnt write the earth shaking becuase they wished to involve the centaurion in its place?
i also notice that John doesnt mention NEITHER action, nor do ANY of the other books mention the piercing of Jesus' flesh, which proved prophesy

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