A Deteriorating State :: Morality in the 21st Century

As far as I am concerned that's fine. It's what comes next that bothers me. The '...since they are going to hell, and I am obligated to help people not go to hell, the state should legislate morality and sanction anyone who is immoral so as to help them and others not go to hell OR I should take things into my own hands by...[killing abortion doctors, bullying homosexuals, flying a commercial plane into a populated building etc etc]

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...so too can we group liberals and religious fundamentalists as 'extremists/fanatics' in recognizing their equal levels of moral deterioration....

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When I said that liberals and religious fundamentalists are the same thing, I meant in terms of deteriorating morals”which is the topic of this thread.

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You're making excuses again. It is still incorrect to group liberals and fundmentalists together. You haven't shown that either group is responsible for deteriorating the morals of "our" nation or world, let alone equally. Yes, that is your responsibility since you are the one lumping them together.I agree with kuresu, all you're saying is that one group thinks another group is responsible for eroding morality.You haven't established what the morality for "our" nation and world is or what evidence makes you feel it is deteriorating. In Message 32 I asked: In Message 37 you responded: Jon, you need to start providing reasonable support for your comments before you create tension in this thread. There needs to be give and take for a satisfying discussion.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

The liberal and the fundamentalist both think that the other should see it 'their way.' It's this kind of arrogance for their position that causes wars, etc. Neither side is ready to accept how the other side thinks and just move on with their lives. And Agnostics cannot do anything about it, because as far as they're concerned, it's not their place to sway people away from the arrogant mindset-or any mindset, even if it will one day bring the world into destruction. Bolding added. Notice, Schraf, she said ACT, not TEACH. And, in the sense of acting-movies, the media, etc.-the consequences of sex, such as STDs, pregnancies, etc. are often joked about, or dealt with in semi-intriguing ways that would almost make one desire to be a part of all the action. In terms of ACTING, there is a view portrayed that any problem resulting from sex can be dealt with in a Hollywood fashion. That makes you as guilty of legislating morality as are the pro-chastity gang. Tell me, why is it 'wrong' not to tell the gang of ineffectiveness of the program, and 'right' to tell them? Why is your position so much better?Jon Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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I would appreciate a response to my questions in Message 39.What do you mean by bringing our moral system down?What makes you feel that fundamentalism is a virus or is spreading?I will add, what morals do you feel the fundamentalists have actually changed for the worst in the past 10 years?

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz